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To: eFudd
This ruling finally got me to realize why this judicial activism has been happening and how to stop it. The ridiculousness of this ruling helps nail it.

The court did not rule on any law. They were ruling on Community practice which is not in the purview of the Court. The Courts may rule on the Constitutionality or Unconstituionality of a Law but only Congress or state legislatures may pass laws. No law was passed here to require the recitation of the Pledge.

It is simply community practice which is a power retained by the People and outside the Courts jurisdiction.
And EFudd you Refute yourself since the 10 Amendment supports the above.

Ravenstar
17 posted on 06/27/2002 11:48:27 AM PDT by Ravenstar
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To: Ravenstar
It is simply community practice which is a power retained by the People and outside the Courts jurisdiction. And EFudd you Refute yourself since the 10 Amendment supports the above.

The pledge is no more a federal issue than is abortion. No reason this issue should be in any federal court . . . precisely because of the 10th ammendment.

I am not quite sure what to make out of your statement that I am refuting myself. You seem to agree with me, so maybe I am refuting you too.

24 posted on 06/27/2002 11:58:35 AM PDT by eFudd
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To: Ravenstar
Here is my collection of ideas of what we should do and say in response to the ruling based on what I have seen on FR.

First, we need to contact the White House. This is what the press secretary said yesterday:

"MR. FLEISCHER: The President was informed at the G-8 Summit about the San Francisco court decision pertaining to the flag. The
President's reaction was that this ruling is ridiculous.

The Supreme Court, itself, begins each of its sessions with the phrase, "God save the United States and this honorable court." The
Declaration of Independence refers to God or to the Creator four different times. Congress begins each session of the Congress each day
with a prayer. And of course, our currency says, "In God We Trust."

The view of the White House is that this was a wrong decision, and THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS NOW EVALUATING HOW
TO SEEK REDRESS."

This is good....but let's keep the pressure on to show Bush he can do a lot even in this situation from the judicial branch.

Here is the switchboard for the WH: 202-456-1414
Here is the comment line: 202-456-1111
Here is the fax number: 202-456-2461

In contacting the White House, I think we should say the following:

1. The President should address the nation and demand his judicial nominees get voted on, since this ruling would not have happened if
his nominees would have been put on the bench instead of having a judge come out of retirement to fill the vacancy.
2. The President should call a joint session of Congress, calling for a Constitutional Amendment. No, we don't need one, but the judges
aren't able to understand plain language, so let's make it plain. Bush should demand an amendment that will protect the right of God to be
in the public schools and that will also restrict the authority of judges in making rulings. They should be required to cite precedent clear
back to the founding period on issues that go back as far.
3. The President should publicly call for the impeachment of the two judges in this case.
4. The president should publicly call for a radical changing of the 9th circuit or a defunding altogether.
(Both numbers 3 and 4 could be dealt with heavy-handedly in a joint session of Congress as well).
5. The President should use this to push for school vouchers. He has been vindicated by the SCOTUS ruling today on the matter and should push it to the fullest extent possible.
6. The President should encourage the use of the Pledge by using it more often in public appearances.




As for Congress, we should call for impeachment of the judges in the House. In the Senate, we should call for VOTES ON BUSH'S
NOMINEES!

U.S. Capitol numbers (thanks to Mo1):

HERE'S THE TOLL FREE NUMBER FOR THE CAPITOL: 1-800-648-3516

US Capitol Switchboard: (202) 224-3121




We could freep the judge that wrote the opinion (thanks WakeUpChristian). Call Federal Judge Alfred Goodwin and demand
that he immediately resign... (415) 556-9800



Also, an idea of mine:

Are there Freepers from California that are teachers?

I seriously think we should consider encouraging them to violate this ruling when school starts up if they want to. Do we have any
money left over from the legal defense fund? We could even support them with that if they have to go to court.




Idea for FReeper Activism (thanks to Spiff for this idea):
Independence Day is coming. In my area, and I'm sure in many other areas, the fireworks display includes some sort of pre-fireworks
programs. In my town, we have the 36th Army Band play a brief concert, have a few fireworks and cannons go off during the 'Overture of
1812' and then we have someone sing the National Anthem right before the fireworks begin.

The program has never included a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance before. In light of the disgusting, anti-American decision by the
9th and in my patriotic desire to resist tyranny, I called the director of the fireworks display and suggested he add the Pledge to the
program. He loved the idea and the reason behind it! So, in my town thousands of people are going to celebrate their independence on
Independence Day by asserting it and reciting the Pledge on city property at a city-sponsored event. You can rest assured that we will
emphasize the "under God" portion of the Pledge.

Independence day is fast approaching. Many FReepers plan on attending various 4th of July events to include fireworks displays, etc. Get
on the phone now and do as I did and get the full Pledge of Allegiance to be recited at the events in your area.



There are also several petitions linked on FR. I think it would be good to support them. However, I also think that the one being given to the Supreme Court is being sent to the wrong people....we should send this stuff to Congress to get THEIR action.
29 posted on 06/27/2002 12:03:06 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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