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To: Le-Roy
How often was it actually a positive affirmation as opposed to rote recitation?

Apparently you agree with the 9th Circuit that students should not say the Pledge of Allegiance in school. I think they should.

I think it's good for students to be reminded, if only for a few seconds each day, that they live in the greatest nation on Earth, that the nation was founded on principles of God-given rights to all people, and that all people in the United States have the same rights of liberty and justice.

I'll grant you that all of our national documents - including the Pledge of Allegiance - are somewhat idealistic, and sometimes we and our government don't live up to the standards set by our Founding Fathers. But I still think it's good for students to be reminded daily of those ideals.

I also agree with JimRob that, while we aren't likely to immediately return our nation to a Perfect Constitutional state, the next election is very important, and we need to vote for the best possible choice - meaning the best choice who has a likely chance of winning.

There are a few maxims that could be quoted for this situation; some will choose "the lesser of two evils is still evil", but I think in this case a more appropriate one would be "all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing".

If we don't vote, or if we vote for third party choices who have no chance of winning, we'll have in effect done nothing, and the liberals WILL win. Right now, keeping them from winning is the important thing.

450 posted on 06/27/2002 12:50:22 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
If we don't vote, or if we vote for third party choices who have no chance of winning, we'll have in effect done nothing, and the liberals WILL win. Right now, keeping them from winning is the important thing.

Amen. (Can I still say that?!) Well said!

451 posted on 06/27/2002 12:53:40 PM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society
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To: Amelia
Apparently you agree with the 9th Circuit that students should not say the Pledge of Allegiance in school.

   Apparently you have a problem with reading comprehension -- neither myself or the 9th Circuit Court have said any such thing.

for students to be reminded daily of those ideals

   How will that happen if they see minority beliefs/rights being trumped/trampled by the majority? Such a thing is completely contrary to Constitutional ideals.

all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing

   Such as, when being offered a choice of two evils, to continue to allow others to dictate the rules of the game? Continuing to send the message that, 'stripping the flesh from my bones and pouring alcohol in the wounds is acceptable...so long as it is done slowly, and with the illusion that I might eventually, someday, have some say in whether it ever stops'? Ya mean, that kind of 'doing nothing'?

454 posted on 06/27/2002 1:03:58 PM PDT by Le-Roy
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