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To: OKCSubmariner
The extensive evidence reviewed and uncovered during our seven-year investigation of the bombing points to the involvement of a network of Middle Eastern terrorist cells. President Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno, however, were determined to pin the blame on their political opposition, the "anti-government" forces of the "radical right." They went to extreme lengths to twist, cover up, and destroy any evidence and exclude all witnesses that might contradict this thesis.

You're a very long way from safe harbor in floating this accusation. Nobody dislikes DIRTXPOTUS more than I do (except maybe his ex-wife and people who knew him well), but even though Clinton was, in fact, desperate for a political fixer-upper after his shellacking by Newt and the Pubbies, and despite the fact that it is quite true that he seized on the Oklahoma City bombing for obscene demagoguing of Newt and Rush, literally blaming them for the explosion (something the Leftie Press would have had George H. W. Bush's head for saying, or Nixon's, or Dubya's), nevertheless it should be said that the "evidence" offered here of Iraqi "involvement" is very, very thin stuff.

The APB for the Arabs you describe was carried out, the guys and their pickup truck were found, I remember reading or hearing at the time, and the two men were exonerated of any responsibility for the explosion. Do you contradict that?

About all you've got to go on is some eyewitness descriptions and a police sketch of "John Doe 2", and a piece of camo cloth from the explosion crater. That guy could as easily have been Hispanic (after all, Spaniards are Mediterranean types just as much as North Africans -- their darker-skinned ancestors crossed the Gibraltar Strait 10,000 years ago from North Africa) as Middle Eastern. Terry Nichols's travels to Cebu and packages of money are interesting, but unless the coin rolls are stamped "Bank of Abu Dhabi", you've got a lot of 'splainin' to do, to tie him to Al-Q'aeda. Turning Nichols and Ramzi Yousef inside out on sodium pentothal would seem to be a good place to start, but until more evidence is forthcoming, what you mostly have is some arm-waving Filipino policemen and overtaxed, underinterested FBI men.

48 posted on 06/26/2002 3:40:46 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
some eyewitness descriptions and a police sketch of "John Doe 2", and a piece of camo cloth from the explosion crater

Actually, it has been reported on several occassions that the FBI confiscated video tapes from security cameras that were aimed at the front of the Murrough building. I have seen one person (former FBI) interviewed that saw PART of these tapes and confirmed that a middle-eastern man sat in the truck for, at least, a minute AFTER McVeigh got out and walked across the street. He said it difficult to tell exactly how long "john doe #2" stayed in the truck because the cameras recorded on time lapse and he was unsure of the exact lapse in seconds. He went on to say that witnesses' statements that theysaw John Doe exit the truck on the passenger side and then walk back to the passenger door before finally leaving the scene were confirmed by the tape he saw. Have you, perchance, seen any of the local news tapes from the day of and days following the bombing? They are quite telling.

56 posted on 06/26/2002 6:04:35 AM PDT by KentuckyWoman
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To: lentulusgracchus
The APB for the Arabs you describe was carried out, the guys and their pickup truck were found, I remember reading or hearing at the time, and the two men were exonerated of any responsibility for the explosion. Do you contradict that?

I contradict it. Your lack of knowledge concerning the events you are commenting on as demonstrated in the above statement relieves you of any credibility. Do some homework before your next rant, please. We appreciate sourced information with a link.

84 posted on 06/27/2002 7:34:10 PM PDT by honway
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To: lentulusgracchus
You're a very long way from safe harbor in floating this accusation.

, nevertheless it should be said that the "evidence" offered here of Iraqi "involvement" is very, very thin stuff.

The APB for the Arabs you describe was carried out, the guys and their pickup truck were found, I remember reading or hearing at the time, and the two men were exonerated of any responsibility for the explosion. Do you contradict that?

About all you've got to go on is some eyewitness descriptions and a police sketch of "John Doe 2", and a piece of camo cloth from the explosion crater.

The mainstream media has failed in their responsibility to investigate and inform the public about important information concerning the OKC bombing. OKCSubmariner has dedicated substantial time, energy and resources to fill the void left by the major media.

It is clear the "crispness" in my response was an over reaction to your "snippy" remarks above. Often I take for granted that everyone on FR is aware that OKCSub is one of the most knowledgable individuals in the country on the events concerning the Oklahoma City bombing. William Jasper may be a new name as well, but he is another doing very competent reporting and if he writes something,he can back it up.

But in your remarks you did ask, Do you contradict that?, which is a request for information. You didn't ask me for the information but I will link you to sites if you care to read a considerable amount of information on the APB on the brown Chevy pickup and the "arrest and detention" of three Pakistani gentlemen, two separate events, in my opinion, but both connected to the bombing.

86 posted on 06/28/2002 5:03:04 AM PDT by honway
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