Open Appeal to Conservatives

Breaking All The Rules ^ | June 20, 2002 | SARTRE

[sauropod]

Most excellent post, my friend.

[JohnGalt]

I would also offer that Paleo-cons should not look at paleo-libertarians as the enemy either, but I think this piece is directed at the Neo-Cons who think Conservatism was born out of a desire to rid the world of Nazi tyrants.

[FastCoyote]

Yup, most "conservatives" here are patentedly anti-Constitution. BATF, FDA, Education Department, compassionate conservatism, etc. all skirt the Constitution with nary a cry. The brown shirts are always right.

[NMC EXP]

My pleasure.

Regards

J.R.

[Senator Pardek]

I would also offer that Paleo-cons should not look at paleo-libertarians as the enemy either, but I think this piece is directed at the Neo-Cons who think Conservatism was born out of a desire to rid the world of Nazi tyrants.

"Post Of The Day" material!

[NMC EXP]

I regret that I have not found a generally accepted dictionary of political ideologies. Specifically the modifiers; proto, paleo, neo.....

But I suspect we are on the same page re: paleo-cons and paleo-libertarians.

I consider myself a Constitutionist and have found that the libertarians and I share much common ground.

Regards

J.R.

[NMC EXP]

The term "conservative" has been co-opted by a lot of people who do not fit my definition of that category.

They can have it. I'll stick with Constitutionist.

Regards

J.R.

[NMC EXP]

FYI -- J.R.

[Consort]

Pat Buchanan, like Conservatives, in general, allow others to define them with little or no effective response. Conservatives communicate well with a narrow spectrum of people but not with the vast voting populace, and they are paying a price for it while, at the same time, are wondering why more people don't relate to them. Conservatives know they are right, but too few others know it as well.

[GingisK]

"Direct hit" with this post.

[NMC EXP]

Conservatives know they are right, but too few others know it as well.

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I believe you are correct in that they allow the opposition to set the terms of the debate. But when it comes the citizens at large, the problem is ignorance and greed.

Regards

J.R.

[NMC EXP]

The topic is timely.

Regards

J.R.

[NMC EXP]

Thought you might find this interesting.

Regards

J.R.

[Fish out of Water]

fyi

[gunshy]

I'm a conservative. That doesn't make me a republican.

[Sir Gawain]

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[Digger]

I'm with all of you on this one.

[JohnGalt]

Paleo-libs would agree with the paleo-cons on foreign policy, localism, and the Bill of Rights, however, paleo-libs tend to believe that protective tariffs are a political machination, not a sensible piece of policy. Paleo-cons are correct to point out, though they tend to go about it wrongheadedly, that libs and cons have different 'ends' in mind. Freedom for the indivdual is the highest ideal for the lib while the preservation of civilization and society is the goal of the cons.

You are right to point out that a Conservative tends to be as you describe and should not be confused with a libertarian. Conservatives do wish to preserve the nation-state and the American ideal, while a libertarian might think it's too late to save an increasingly arbitrary land with arbitrary borders and an arbitrary government passing arbitrary laws.

Four years ago, I too would have considered myself a Constitutionalist, but at this late day, it would be akin to a Roman citizen lamenting the pre-Caesar Republic in 190 A.D. It's simply 'after the fact.'

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

You might find this of interest:

What Are Leftists?

Now I have to work on the prefixes--- What is a neo and a paleo ?
New and Old?

Labels are so confusing!