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Analysis: IQ defenders feel vindicated
United Press International ^ | 6/24/2002 | Steve Sailer

Posted on 06/24/2002 3:15:57 PM PDT by Map Kernow

LOS ANGELES, June 24 (UPI) -- Several IQ researchers, accustomed to having their field of expertise ignored or denounced as racist and fraudulent, were bemused by Thursday's vote by six Supreme Court Justices to ban the execution of murderers, in effect, who score poorly on IQ tests.

As staunch defenders of the much-maligned concept of the intelligence quotient, these scientists found vindication in the Supreme Court's embrace of intelligence testing, though they cautioned that the Justices' understanding of the complex subject was simplistic.

The IQ experts were particularly amused that newspapers that routinely condemn IQ tests as biased and meaningless were quick to endorse intelligence exams in this case. The New York Times, for example, editorialized, "[I]nflicting the death penalty on individuals with I.Q. scores of less than 70 who have little understanding of their moral culpability violates civilized standards of justice."

Linda S. Gottfredson, co-director of the University of Delaware-Johns Hopkins Project for the Study of Intelligence and Society, said, "Just about the only time I see journalists and liberals take IQ seriously is when it meets their ideological predilections. For example, they treat IQ as real when anyone claims that early intervention raises it, but not when evidence goes the other way. And so it is with crime. We are told we must not link IQ with crime, unless low IQ can be used to roll back the death penalty."

Another staunch backer of the much-maligned IQ test, evolutionary biologist Gregory Cochran, an adjunct professor at the University of Utah, collects examples of how the New York Times consistently refuses to mention IQ in its coverage of student performance and other topics where IQ would appear to be highly relevant. In response to the Times' editorial, he laughed, "This shows that the typical New York Times aficionado can be for something one day and support its opposite the next, without a twinge."

The Court left it up to the states to determine what should be the cutoff score for mental retardation. The 18 states that had already banned executions of the retarded tend to use an IQ of 70 (or occasionally 65 or 75) as the dividing line, often combined with other evidence of functional impairment.

To prevent killers from trying to cheat death by intentionally scoring poorly on his IQ test, most of these states require evidence that they were already retarded by the age of 18 or 22. Yet, since many people are not tested when young, some states allow IQ tests to be given to murder defendants of any age. One intelligence expert worried that we will end up executing only those killers "too stupid to realize that they ought to flunk their IQ test."

The Court's majority stated, "Mentally retarded persons frequently know the difference between right and wrong and are competent to stand trial, but, by definition, they have diminished capacities to understand and process information, to communicate, to abstract from mistakes and learn from experience, to engage in logical reasoning, to control impulses, and to understand others' reactions."

The IQ experts agreed with this, though they cautioned against the Court's overly simplified implication that the mentally retarded are intellectually limited and everyone else is not. Gottfredson observed, "People cannot be lumped into just two categories -- retarded vs. normal. An IQ of 75 is just the point at which the odds of mastering the elementary school curriculum and living independently in modern American society as an adult fall below 50-50."

More controversial among the IQ experts was the Court's assertion that the "deficiencies (of the mentally retarded) do not warrant an exemption from criminal sanctions, but diminish their personal culpability."

Psychometrician Chris Brand, a consultant with the Woodhill Foundation and a one-time staff psychologist at a British prison, agreed.

"My inclination is to say the low IQ do know murder is wrong, but that their grasp and control of their own actions is rather slight when temper or sex are roused or drink is taken," he said.

On the other hand, the death penalty is seldom applied in crimes of passion. It's more likely to be demanded in aggravated cases where the murderer showed logical foresight, such as by killing his robbery or rape victims to prevent them from identifying him.

Some of the IQ experts were skeptical of whether avoiding aggravated murder required much in the way of sophisticated powers of reasoning. (All agreed, however, that individuals with scores below 50 suffered profound limitations.)

Richard Lynn, a professor emeritus of psychometrics at the University of Ulster, suggested, "An adult with an IQ of 70 has the mental age of the average 11.5 year old child, and these will certainly know that killing people is wrong."

Gottfredson suggested, "Most individuals below the 75 IQ level understand the basic rules of society. They know that hurting other people is wrong. They are not uncivilized. I have a mildly retarded brother and he is very aware of moral standards of right and wrong."

Some IQ experts were concerned that the Supreme Court's ruling would make the low IQ appear as morally less than fully human by officially labeling them as inherently less able to comprehend basic ethical rules such as "Thou shalt not kill."

This is an issue of surprisingly broad social importance. The intelligence researchers noted that while IQs below 70 or 75 are extremely rare in the kind of circles that modern Supreme Court justices travel in, they are much more common in other social settings.

The researchers said that the majority of low IQ individuals do not suffer from medical problems such as Down's Syndrome. Gottfredson noted, "About 75 percent-80 percent of mental retardation is called 'familial,' because it mostly just represents the unlucky combinations of genes that are passed in the normal manner from parents to children. Only a small proportion of mental retardation is due to organic problems, such as chromosomal abnormalities or brain damage. This is just like height. Most very short people are perfectly normal."

The stereotype that most low IQ children are what obstetricians often callously refer to in their notes as FLKs - "Funny Looking Kids" is not true. Elite members of American society tend not to realize this because when an extremely high-IQ person, such as a Supreme Court justice, has a retarded child, it's generally due to organic causes.

As children, these "familial" low-IQ individuals fit in well on the playground, where they may be indistinguishable from their higher-IQ friends. They are normal, except that they run into problems when they need to do the higher-order, abstract thinking that a modern society rewards.

Familial low IQ has been quite common in the past, in other countries today, and in segments of American society.

Interestingly, raw IQ scores have been rising around the world for as far back as testing has been performed on a national basis. To deal with this, test developers periodically raise the number of correct questions a test taker must answer correctly to achieve an average score of 100. This means a vast number of Americans in the past would have scored under 70 on today's tests. Lynn conservatively estimated, "In terms of today's IQs, about 16 percent of whites and about half of blacks" would have scored below 70 in the 1920s. Looking back to the early 20th Century, Gottfredson mused, "It is far-fetched to say that half the population then did not know that murder was wrong."

The causes of this rise in unadjusted IQ scores remain in dispute. Both Gottfredson and Brand doubt whether it reflects a real increase in intelligence. Brand has argued that contemporary people are simply better test takers. In contrast, Lynn has published studies showing that improved nutrition has probably caused some of the rise in raw IQ scores.

Other theories trying to account for the improvement, sometimes called the Lynn-Flynn Effect, include better health, more schooling, and a generally more stimulating mental environment due to more intensive urbanization, pervasive media, abundant shopping choices, and the like.

Further, there are quite a few impoverished countries right now with inadequate nutrition, health, and education, where the national average IQ is in the 70s or even the 60s. In Lynn's new book "IQ & the Wealth of Nations" (co-authored with Tatu Vanhanen of the University of Helsinki), he calculated average IQ scores for 81 countries based on 184 studies published in scientific journals. Lynn found that in 15 of the 81 nations, the mean IQ was below 75. (At the other end of the spectrum, Hong Kong came in highest, averaging nine IQ points more than the United States).

Roughly half of the populations of these low-IQ countries would be considered mildly retarded by the U.S. Supreme Court and thus of diminished moral culpability. Yet, while these destitute societies have undeniable trouble competing in global technology markets that require advanced skills, they would certainly reject the Supreme Court's implication that their average adult is of such limited moral capacity that if he murders, he should be treated like a child.

Finally, the Court's decision officially designates that a much larger fraction of the African-American population is of diminished moral capability compared to the white and East Asian populations. About 2 percent-3 percent of whites or East Asians don't exceed 70 on IQ tests, vs. 10 percent-12 percent of American blacks (and more than 20 percent score below 75).

Some of the IQ defenders were quick to point out that Court and the New York Times had implicitly agreed with them that IQ tests were not racially biased. Gottfredson said, "The death penalty may be the only public policy debate involving race in which we are not bombarded with the usual canards about IQ tests being biased against blacks." She contends that abundant evidence shows IQ tests are equally good at predicting a variety of life outcomes for both blacks and whites.

Copyright © 2002 United Press International


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To: RonF
In Illinois, we're finding that the error rate on Death Row is around 50%, and I'm talking people proven innocent by DNA evidence

I'll wipe the smirk off my face as soon as you give us some indication that you didn't pull this number out of your butt...
Is that including all those executed?
Just the ones who pursue appeals?
What?

It's all irrelevant anyway. That the system is not perfect is a specious argument.

Would you outlaw cancer surgery because 30% is demonstrably ineffectual?

My position on the death penalty is simple: I am as subject to being executed in error as anyone else. If I support it in spite of that risk, I have demonstrated the only societal and logical honesty necessary.
Surprisingly, it is not a risk I stay up nights worrying about...

101 posted on 06/28/2002 2:28:55 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: headsonpikes
I question your assertion that people of equally 'abnormal' mental attributes(in terms of deviation from the norm),"...are equally handicapped."

Seriously. How can you possibly say that a quicker wit is a handicap?

They who die leaving the most numerous and most viable descendents win.

And people of normal intelligence are winning because there are so many of them.

People of average intelligence are smart enough without being too smart for their own good.

The optimal IQ is the average IQ.

102 posted on 06/28/2002 5:28:23 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
"And people of normal intelligence are winning because there are so many of them."

That's a jest, I hope. Surely you realize that it is the incremental growth of some fraction of the population that is of interest.

If we define the top 2% as intelligent(a la Mensa), then the fact that after a generation that proportion is little changed should hardly surprise the most diffident statistician.

"The optimal IQ is the average IQ."

You suffer from an advanced case of Procrustean scientism, perhaps. ;^)

P.S. I have the most 'viable' children of anyone in my graduating class from high school, and the highest IQ.

'Thus I refute you, Bishop Berkeley'. LOLOL!
103 posted on 06/28/2002 5:46:24 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Publius6961
"I'll wipe the smirk off my face as soon as you give us some indication that you didn't pull this number out of your butt..."

Review post #61 (I apologize for the formatting) and start wiping. That's an official stat. These are people who were not executed. Most of them were freed due to extraordinary circumstances, outside the usual appellate mechanism. This includes I believe two men who were put on death row by a judge taking bribes, who basically put them on death row to balance the books so that his record overall would look good. It also includes two men who were freed when a bunch of journalism students took an interest in a case, and managed to both impeach witnesses *and* dig up DNA evidence.

There's a difference in taking a 1 out of 3 chance to survive when there's no alternative, and taking any chance you might kill an innocent man when there is one.
104 posted on 06/28/2002 5:54:26 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
If you mean corporations give to both sides because of expediency you are correct. However, they are hardly even handed. Enron compromised enough RATS that they cannot make it an issue because there is enough blowback to damage them.

Some companies favor one party over the other by a great margin because of ideology. Take Oracle, World Crossing, Arthur Anderson they appear to favor RATS. Lierman was one of AA's largest recipients. Gore Occidental Petroleum. Etc. Since the last two terms were RAT more of the corporate money went to RATS. Some favor RATS no matter which party is in power like Disney, Hollywood.
105 posted on 07/02/2002 7:32:44 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: headsonpikes
I maintain the optimal IQ is the average IQ.

Think of other traits in humans and other life forms.

There is an optimal size for a species of tree: too high and a tree will likely be struck by lightening; too short, it will be in the shadow of its taller brethren and be starved for sunlight.

What traits are most frequently expressed in a species are those traits that are most fit, and therefore optimal in each generation--providing there is not a change to the environment of cataclysmic proportion.

Such a change may be upon us now with the accelerating growth of technology and population, though each may be racing the other to disaster, in which case the IQ you celebrate will have brought itself to its own extinction.

I suspect those aboriginal cultures that survived into the twentieth century were the cultures on the best track for survival of the human species.

Aboriginal cultures would measure mental ability by different standards.

Our minds are not bred just for reasoning; our minds have evolved to exercise a great many functions. In the past and in the future--if our kind has a future--reason may be the least of these.

106 posted on 07/06/2002 8:40:26 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
"Think of other traits."

I think of the size and strength of successful males in herd animals, not to mention predators. If IQ was a feature that 'crowded out' other survival traits, then you would have a strong point, but IQ is complementary to all other behaviors and attributes, AFAIK.

"...the cultures on the best track for survival..."

I think you have a romanticized view of hunter-gatherer lifestyles; that view is a product of your education, not your experience. Many surviving groups which instance 'earlier' expressions of social development are maladaptive and declining.

'How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm after they've seen Paree' is the problem of all neolithic-style chthonic cultures. Humans respond well to fresh stimuli and become quickly unhappy with boring and repetitive survival tasks. Good-bye Amazon rain-forest, Hello Rio!

"Our minds are not just bred for reasoning..."

Granted, but tangential, unless you can demonstrate that thinking about mathematics and other formal systems handicaps those brain-functions which are non-logical.(I include esthetics, emotions, and thrill-seeking as examples of such)

I recommend doing a Free Republic or Google search for 'Harrison Bergeron'. This short story may inspire an epiphany. ;^)
107 posted on 07/06/2002 1:00:49 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Map Kernow
The New York Times never disbelieved IQ tests. The just pretended to do that. Deep down inside, they also know the quickest way to world poverty, war, and destruction is to follow their liberal-based policies of taxing productivity and huge percentages of government spending.

They once chose Eisenhower for President. Straight socialism since then.

108 posted on 07/06/2002 1:05:40 PM PDT by The Raven
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To: headsonpikes
I think you have a romanticized view of hunter-gatherer lifestyles; that view is a product of your education, not your experience.

No.

My view is a result my evolutionary design--those things I enjoy most are precisely those things suitable to surviving as a hunter-gatherer.

Consider kittens--they are designed to love hunting so much that they play at it.

Now consider human children--why is it natural for human children to love play but hate school?

It is because, like the young of other species, the play of children is the practice of skills needed for survival in a hunter gathering existence.

Evolution has instilled the desire for play as insurance the members of a species will practice those skills needed for survival, skills which are not exercised frequently enough in anger and so must be kept fresh through love of practice.

Were modern education and modern work suitable to our design, children and adults would pursue books and work with the same fervor they pursue sports, hunting, fishing, and shopping (shopping is gathering, except shopping is twice as much work as gathering; because in shopping we must first earn the money by unenjoyable work before we can enjoy the gathering experience).

Our bodies, too, are designed for these pursuits--exercise is not distasteful when we use our bodies in the pursuit of enjoyable activity.

Cats love their work so well that even kittens never tire of practicing the hunt.

And though the hunter gathering existence may be brutish and short, I suspect it wasn't all that bad in the days before human population reached such levels as to make game and land in ideal climates in short supply.

Certainly, the early humans must have prospered else their population would not have overgrown their natural habitat.

We moderns m-a-y live longer, but I suspect it is a happier existence to live fewer but fuller years.

Humans respond well to fresh stimuli and become quickly unhappy with boring and repetitive survival tasks.

LOL.

Outside of prison, there is nothing so devoid of stimuli, so monotonous, so un-free, so dirty and yet so sterile as living in a city . . . except perhaps living on a farm.

109 posted on 07/06/2002 5:12:31 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
I happen to share your view that we are adapted to socialize most happily in hunter-gatherer type groups.

But I ask you to account for the fact that Amazonian natives, for instance, love the excitement of city life as much as people raised in cities.

You may LOL and chortle at the notion that modern life can be as rewarding psychologically as a neolithic lifestyle, but I'm going to chalk that up to snootiness on your part. ;^)

I believe that the social forms developed to enhance survival over the last hundreds of centuries are sufficient to enable humans to weather the storm of urbanization and technological rationalization. We are a supremely adaptive species.

And I will reiterate my statement that yours is a view developed from reading about the concepts, not by lying in wait by a water-hole to kill an antelope. ;^)




110 posted on 07/08/2002 9:07:58 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Realize that hunting and gathering hundreds of thousands of years ago was an easier endeavor than it has been more recently since the depletion of wild resources and the increased wariness of game from thousands of years of being hunted.

(Early visitors to the Galapagos and other uninhabited lands were amazed at the number of wild animals and at how easy it was to walk among a flock of birds who had not learned to "fear" hunters.)

As for higher and higher IQ's being an unmixed blessing, I don't buy it.

Our desires and bodies are not up to the solutions provided mankind through the technology the "geniuses" among us have generated--our pleasures are low tech, our motivations are low tech, and such things as higher mathematics, for example, are distasteful to the majority of people, who would rather think of something else.

Whether having a high IQ enhances an individual's chance of passing his genes along (and I suspect that having a higher IQ alone may be detrimental to reproduction--especially to someone whose other traits are average and to society as a whole; civilized people have less desire for children, decreasing birth rates--better birth control and safer abortions are the gift of "geniuses"), there is a good possibility that the marriage of high IQ and high technology may cause the extinction of mankind--or at least put a finish to the kind of culture that celebrates high IQ's and the technical innovations it can bring.

We in the West may now be passing out of the honeymoon period of the industrial revolution and into a world where placing reliance on the human race's other talents will be recognized as even more important than those other talents are now.

As for those surviving hunter gatherers who seem so enamored of our civilization on experiencing it, understand that our desires are tuned to a world where obtaining the objects of desire require some work, some exercise--and therefore require constant motivation from near insatiable desires (pet fish will often eat themselves to death, not being prepared by nature for the generosity of their human owners--like the Japanese who had no word for surrender, fish and humans too often have no concept of enough!)

That civilization can instantly gratify desires is by definition attractive, but in the long run unhealthy.

And there have been instances of primitives returning to their former lifestyle of their own volition.

There have also been instances where Western man has sampled the primitive and then fled to it, never to return.

111 posted on 07/08/2002 9:56:21 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
"There have also been instances where Western man has sampled the primitive and then fled to it, never to return."

Case in point, headsonpikes. ;^)

Seriously, I lived in the North for about a decade without running water or electricity, depending upon hunting for most meat, etc., etc.

Even the aboriginal trappers of my acquaintance enjoy such modern items as either amuse them or aid in hunting, etc.

OTOH, you have a point about most folks having very limited survival options; we are vulnerable to a die-off.

It still seems to me that the greater than vaerage ability to recognize patterns and manipulate logical symbols indicated by IQ tests can not be disadvantageous. You have not really explained why you think this is the case.

I freely concede that I'd rather go hunting with friends than shuffle papers with strangers. ;^)


112 posted on 07/08/2002 10:51:57 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Err, I said, "There have also been instances where Western man has sampled the primitive and then fled to it [not from it], never to return."

More about this IQ stuff later.

113 posted on 07/08/2002 3:21:16 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: headsonpikes
Seriously, I lived in the North for about a decade without running water or electricity

North sounds like a cold place for that experiment.

I suspect our forebears did not move north until they overpopulated the climates to which they (and we) are best suited.

No need need for hot running water in the right climate, for example. No need for heating or AC either.

More later.

114 posted on 07/08/2002 3:25:36 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
I think you've misread my response. ;^)

IQ tests are a poor substitute for rasslin' bears as a determinant of social status, but there appears to be little enthusiasm for reviving the more hearty customs of our ancestors. ;^)

All this is not as 'non sequitur' as it may read. ;^)
115 posted on 07/08/2002 3:29:03 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
You might enjoy this (if you have RealAudio/RealOne player):

http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me /20020513.me.06.ram

(Actually, I suspect he's may just be a homeless guy who's got the author of a book about him and other dames as well as lecture audiences over a barrel and believing some really good yarns.)
116 posted on 07/08/2002 3:31:55 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: headsonpikes
It still seems to me that the greater than average ability to recognize patterns and manipulate logical symbols indicated by IQ tests can not be disadvantageous. You have not really explained why you think this is the case.

At best, having an exceptionally high IQ probably does not confer an evolutionary advantage--and at worse, may confer a disadvantage.

IQ only serves us up until our inborn desires are satiated, beyond that it's useless.

More, a high IQ may confer a disadvantage by making the satisfaction of an individual's desires too easy--which can cause physical and mental and social problems.

We are social animals, and there is great safety in conformity--deviate too far from the norm in appearance, action, prosperity, or thought, and you will attract physical and social trouble from other humans and physical trouble other species.

There is the great pool of humanity to deal with--having a high IQ is a small thing compared to the other traits one needs to maintain one's standing among peers.

Having a high IQ might cause an atrophying of other human traits like aggression over generations, wich would put your descendants at a social handicap.

And that is just on the individual level.

On the level of our entire species, the technology that high IQ has brought us (IQ did not evolve to create high tech, by the way) also has its dangers for the human race--but that's another story.

There's more but no time now.

117 posted on 07/09/2002 8:19:26 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
"...but that's another story."

I'm getting the impression that's the issue you are actually concerned about--that somehow we are creating a technology-dependent way of life that leaves the vast majority of mankind vulnerable to mass die-off in the event of a destabilizing event.

Frankly, in terms of individual survival traits I find your arguments thin and unconvincing; there may be some basis for social concerns, however.
118 posted on 07/09/2002 1:44:56 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Frankly, in terms of individual survival traits I find your arguments thin and unconvincing

I don't know about you, but I'm sure living around too many morons has taken years off my life.

119 posted on 07/20/2002 10:01:30 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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