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The Right to Keep and Bear . . . What? The Second Amendment Definition of "Arms"
http://www.cga94.com/contributors/stuff/arms/ii.htm ^ | Alo Konsen

Posted on 06/24/2002 1:10:34 PM PDT by Sir Gawain

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1 posted on 06/24/2002 1:10:34 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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2 posted on 06/24/2002 1:11:31 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
"I simply think we will have to look outside the Second Amendment to find the authority to do it."

SG, It seems this guy wants more "gun control". But, doing the above is ILLEGAL! Peace and love, George.

3 posted on 06/24/2002 1:21:49 PM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: Sir Gawain; Atsilvquodi; da_toolman; jdogbearhunter
PING
4 posted on 06/24/2002 1:26:00 PM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
I haven't read the entire thread yet. I'll have to reserve judgment.
5 posted on 06/24/2002 1:26:18 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Hope this helpt this thread . . . . . .

Copyright (c) 1991 by The New Gun Week and Second Amendment Foundation. Informational reproduction of the entire article is hereby authorized provided the author, The New Gun Week and Second Amendment Foundation are credited. All other rights reserved.

THE UNABRIDGED SECOND AMENDMENT

by J. Neil Schulman

If you wanted to know all about the Big Bang, you'd ring up Carl Sagan, right? And if you wanted to know about desert warfare, the man to call would be Norman Schwartzkopf, no question about it. But who would you call if you wanted the top expert on American usage, to tell you the meaning of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution?

That was the question I asked Mr. A.C. Brocki, Editorial Coordinator of the Los Angeles Unified School District and formerly senior editor at Houghton Mifflin Publishers -- who himself had been recommended to me as the foremost expert on English usage in the Los Angeles school system. Mr. Brocki told me to get in touch with Roy Copperud, a retired professor of journalism at the University of Southern California and the author of "American Usage and Style: The Consensus".

A little research lent support to Brocki's opinion of Professor Copperud's expertise.

Roy Copperud was a newspaper writer on major dailies for over three decades before embarking on a distinguished seventeen-year career teaching journalism at USC. Since 1952, Copperud has been writing a column dealing with the professional aspects of journalism for "Editor and Publisher", a weekly magazine focusing on the journalism field.

He's on the usage panel of the American Heritage Dictionary, and Merriam Webster's Usage Dictionary frequently cites him as an expert. Copperud's fifth book on usage, "American Usage and Style: The Consensus", has been in continuous print from Van Nostrand Reinhold since 1981, and is the winner of the Association of American Publishers' Humanities Award.

That sounds like an expert to me.

After a brief telephone call to Professor Copperud in which I introduced myself but did "not" give him any indication of why I was interested, I sent the following letter:

*** "July 26, 1991

"Dear Professor Copperud:

"I am writing you to ask you for your professional opinion as an expert in English usage, to analyze the text of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, and extract the intent from the text.

"The text of the Second Amendment is, 'A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'

"The debate over this amendment has been whether the first part of the sentence, "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," is a restrictive clause or a subordinate clause, with respect to the independent clause containing the subject of the sentence, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"I would request that your analysis of this sentence not take into consideration issues of political impact or public policy, but be restricted entirely to a linguistic analysis of its meaning and intent. Further, since your professional analysis will likely become part of litigation regarding the consequences of the Second Amendment, I ask that whatever analysis you make be a professional opinion that you would be willing to stand behind with your reputation, and even be willing to testify under oath to support, if necessary."

My letter framed several questions about the text of the Second Amendment, then concluded:

"I realize that I am asking you to take on a major responsibility and task with this letter. I am doing so because, as a citizen, I believe it is vitally important to extract the actual meaning of the Second Amendment. While I ask that your analysis not be affected by the political importance of its results, I ask that you do this because of that importance.

"Sincerely,

"J. Neil Schulman"

***

After several more letters and phone calls, in which we discussed terms for his doing such an analysis, but in which we never discussed either of our opinions regarding the Second Amendment, gun control, or any other political subject, Professor Copperud sent me the following analysis (into which I've inserted my questions for the sake of clarity):

***

[Copperud:] The words "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state," contrary to the interpretation cited in your letter of July 26, 1991, constitute a present participle, rather than a clause. It is used as an adjective, modifying "militia," which is followed by the main clause of the sentence (subject "the right," verb "shall"). The right to keep and bear arms is asserted as essential for maintaining a militia.

In reply to your numbered questions:

[Schulman: (1) Can the sentence be interpreted to grant the right to keep and bear arms "solely" to "a well-regulated militia"?;]

[Copperud:] (1) The sentence does not restrict the right to keep and bear arms, nor does it state or imply possession of the right elsewhere or by others than the people; it simply makes a positive statement with respect to a right of the people.

[Schulman: (2) Is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" "granted" by the words of the Second Amendment, or does the Second Amendment assume a preexisting right of the people to keep and bear arms, and merely state that such right "shall not be infringed"?;]

[Copperud:] (2) The right is not granted by the amendment; its existence is assumed. The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate for the sake of ensuring a militia.

[Schulman: (3) Is the right of the people to keep and bear arms conditioned upon whether or not a well-regulated militia is, in fact, necessary to the security of a free State, and if that condition is not existing, is the statement "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" null and void?;]

[Copperud:] (3) No such condition is expressed or implied. The right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia. No condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated militia as requisite to the security of a free state. The right to keep and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence.

[Schulman: (4) Does the clause "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," grant a right to the government to place conditions on the "right of the people to keep and bear arms," or is such right deemed unconditional by the meaning of the entire sentence?;]

[Copperud:] (4) The right is assumed to exist and to be unconditional, as previously stated. It is invoked here specifically for the sake of the militia.

[Schulman: (5) Which of the following does the phrase "well-regulated militia" mean: "well-equipped," "well-organized," "well-drilled," "well-educated," or "subject to regulations of a superior authority"?]

[Copperud:] (5) The phrase means "subject to regulations of a superior authority"; this accords with the desire of the writers for civilian control over the military.

[Schulman: If at all possible, I would ask you to take into account the changed meanings of words, or usage, since that sentence was written two-hundred years ago, but not to take into account historical interpretations of the intents of the authors, unless those issues can be clearly separated.]

[Copperud:] To the best of my knowledge, there has been no change in the meaning of words or in usage that would affect the meaning of the amendment. If it were written today, it might be put: "Since a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged."

[Schulman: As a "scientific control" on this analysis, I would also appreciate it if you could compare your analysis of the text of the Second Amendment to the following sentence, "A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed."

My questions for the usage analysis of this sentence would be,

(1) Is the grammatical structure and usage of this sentence, and the way the words modify each other, identical to the Second Amendment's sentence?; and

(2) Could this sentence be interpreted to restrict "the right of the people to keep and read Books" "only" to "a well-educated electorate" -- for example, registered voters with a high-school diploma?]

[Copperud:] (1) Your "scientific control" sentence precisely parallels the amendment in grammatical structure.

(2) There is nothing in your sentence that either indicates or implies the possibility of a restricted interpretation.

***

Professor Copperud had only one additional comment, which he placed in his cover letter: "With well-known human curiosity, I made some speculative efforts to decide how the material might be used, but was unable to reach any conclusion."

So now we have been told by one of the top experts on American usage what many knew all along: the Constitution of the United States unconditionally protects the people's right to keep and bear arms, forbidding all government formed under the Constitution from abridging that right.

***************************************************************

I was looking at the "View" section of the LA Times from December 18, 1991 today -- an article on James Michener which my wife Kate had saved for me to read -- when the beginning of Jack Smith's column caught my eye: "Roy Copperud had no sooner died the other day than I had occasion to consult his excellent book, 'American Usage and Style: The Consensus.'"

Thus I learned of the death a few weeks ago of Roy Copperud, the retired USC professor whom I commissioned to do a grammatical analysis of the Second Amendment this past summer. (My article was published in the September 13th issue of "Gun Week".) It seems to have been one of the last projects he worked on. It is certainly one of the most important.

Roy Copperud told me afterwards that he, personally, favored gun control, but his analysis of the Second Amendment made clear that its protections of the right of the people to keep and bear arms were unaffected by its reference to militia. This sort of intellectual and professional honesty is sorely lacking in public discourse today.

In my several letters and phone conversations with Professor Copperud, I found him to be a gentleman of the old school. The planet is a little poorer without him.

J. Neil Schulman December 27, 1991

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6 posted on 06/24/2002 1:28:14 PM PDT by Freeper
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To: phasma proeliator
I have reservations whenever I hear people talking about a "living document" ala WJeffKlintoon...
I suspect this could be a preamble to gun confiscation. Things don't always seem what they appear to be at first reading & I'm not much at trusting anyone who's at ease with legal jargon.
7 posted on 06/24/2002 1:35:01 PM PDT by jdogbearhunter
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To: Freeper
Very cool article!
8 posted on 06/24/2002 1:41:49 PM PDT by Sloth
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To: Freeper
See the "well-regulated" section here.
9 posted on 06/24/2002 1:43:25 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Not sure what I think...

St.Paul warns us that Satan transforms himself into an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14). Why? Out of necessity, since anyone would flee from him if they sensed his true nature. A veritable master of disguise, Satan appears in many forms to conceal the truth... and propagate lies.

The debate on 2A has become mightily complex. I'm not sure anymore who I can trust but for the simple words in the 2A... "shall not be infringed..."

Molon Labe!!!

10 posted on 06/24/2002 1:53:52 PM PDT by alieno nomine
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To: Sir Gawain
From the article: 'Justice Dickinson agreed when he wrote, "[t]he motive, then, for granting this power to keep and bear arms could not be extended to an unlimited, uncontrolled right to bear any kind of arms or weapons, upon any and every occasion; still less the terms, for they are restrictive in their language."70 Here we see an early example of a court applying reasonable and constitutionally sound upper limits on weapon ownership, while still preserving the plain meaning of the Second Amendment's protected individual right.'

The Constitution does not "grant" the power to keep and bear arms. It, instead, prohibits the government from infringing a pre-existing right.

The author misses the point that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. The governed at the time did not consent to allowing any limitations on the right to keep and bear arms.

The amendment process was included to allow their successors to consent to granting the government additional powers. The author is correct that this is the way to go.

11 posted on 06/24/2002 1:54:16 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: jdogbearhunter
FWIW, seems like it came out of the US Coast Guard Academy.. perhaps the intent is honorable. Then again, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
12 posted on 06/24/2002 2:04:58 PM PDT by Xphantasos
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To: Sir Gawain
It is pretty obvious just what the 2nd means and what the definition of "arms" is; it is not as complicated as the author of this piece would have us believe. The problem with those who advocate "reasonable" gun control, is that very few of them are "reasonable" people. Therefore, I and millions of my fellow citizens will continue to resist any and all legislation which we regard as step-wise parts of a total ban. I am willing to be "reasonable" when people like the Brady Boob shut the hell up or at least acknowledge the RKBA. Until that time, I do not consider ANY further gun control as "reasonable". We already suffer from a lot of "unreasonable" law.
13 posted on 06/24/2002 2:05:11 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: Sir Gawain
The Right to Keep and Bear . . . What?

Anything that can and will be used to defend yourself, your faimily, your property etc. No limitations. In Federalist Paper No. 46, James Madison wrote,

"Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger."

With what? Pop-guns and slingshots?

"A brain, being necessary to understand the Constitution, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

14 posted on 06/24/2002 2:05:57 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: William Tell
Well stated...
"that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.."

If the sorryassed electorate wants to give consent to "arms confiscation" - then we have just taken a turn down that road to hell have we not?

15 posted on 06/24/2002 2:10:25 PM PDT by Xphantasos
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To: jdogbearhunter
"dynamic, living Constitution, which changes as social and economic needs demanded."

I suppose that means making up the rules to fit the agenda of the day as you go along. Here is the best "correct" definition I have heard:

"The Constitution and the Bill of rights means today what they meant in 1787 and 1791"--Justice Antonin Scalea, Bass Hall, Ft. Worth, Tx, circa 2000

16 posted on 06/24/2002 2:10:58 PM PDT by J Jay
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To: Xphantasos
Molon Labe

The "sorryassed electorate" who want to give up their guns can kiss Satan's hairy a55.

17 posted on 06/24/2002 2:16:01 PM PDT by alieno nomine
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To: Sir Gawain
For a strict textualist, this guy sure uses "framers' intent" overly much.
18 posted on 06/24/2002 2:20:04 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: J Jay
Roger that.
19 posted on 06/24/2002 2:27:21 PM PDT by jdogbearhunter
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Anything that can and will be used to defend yourself...

Article 1, Section 8, IIRC, allows Congress to Declare War, and issue Letters of Marque...

Our dear Marque Captain, and his band of gentleman adventurers, would find service to these United States to be of little profit or honor if allowed only to defend themselves.
Arms mean weapons. All weapons.

20 posted on 06/24/2002 2:41:03 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer
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