[Wild Irish Rogue]

Anyone who says that Bush just rewarded terrorists is either a fool, a liar or both.He just kicked Arafat to the curb and gave the Pale people an ultimatum-do it my way( economic and security reforms, end to terror, honest, democratically elected leaders,etc)or it's the side of the Israeli highway. A great speech.

[bvw]

One day George W. Bush, said this:

From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.

(Address to joint session of Congress on the evening of September 20, 2001)

He recoginized that it is a nation -- all the people of that nation, together -- that harbors or supports terrorism! Not just some clique of elite tyrants. Everyone, in aggregate.

Of course this is true -- just look at the experience in Italy versus Germany during WWII, the Italians as a whole nation didn't support the war wholeheartedly. There was a considered partisan movement, a considerate in-fighting ven among the Italian fascists. Eventually the Germans had to sent in troops and take over. Individually many Italians acted against the Nazis and Facsists -- that activity was obvious, was undeniable, had enough strength to provoke the German response.

However in Germany, the whole nation -- with very few exceptions, hardly of any force -- highly supported the Nazis, or at least the concept of a Triumphant Germany. Old and young men took up arms for the Fatherland.

In Palestine, it is the nation that is set to terror. There is simply NO evidence otherwise, and all evidence is horridly but truely otherwise. That the Palestinians are a people set to terror, set to exterminate all Jews.

There are a few people of peace, but like Lot and his daughters in Sodom, they are like nothing, and can be naught otherwsie given as everyone is so set to hate and murder.

So even bask then in September, only nine days after 9/11, Mr. Bush was blurring the lines -- for rather than allowing us -- the US of A -- to go after whole nations set to terror, we are limited to regimes, and will be wasted on effort after effort knocking off this group of leaders then those who follow, again and agsin, for it is the nation that raises the regime that leds it, and not as common to have a regime divorced or at odds with its people.

In any case WE need to be clear, and have wisdom as which we are up against. In Afghanistan, it was -- seems pretty clear now -- a regime -- the Taliban and their allies in Al Queda. A regime and not the whole Afghan nation.

In Palestine, and mark my word, in Saudi Arabia, as well -- it is the NATION set against us.