VAN DAM vs. Westerfield, 6-24-02: Televised proceedings a far cry from O.J. fiasco!

Union Tribune ^ | June 24, 2002 | Alex Roth

[UCANSEE2]

How do you think she went from bleeding in the VD home to bleeding in the MH without leaving blood in between?

See, DW is actually a vampire. He got in the house and by Damon and the dog because he turned invisible. After he bite her neck, she bleed a little. H opened the window, and FLEW with her in his arms from the house to the MH. (/sarcasm)

[UCANSEE2]

Maybe she tried it on when she got home? That's true. I was thinking there wasn't an opportunity for her to do that but maybe she did while Brenda was gone to get pizza.

I would say she didn't even have to get that far. A few 'sparkles' could fall off just taking it out of the bag to hang it in the closet. I think the sparkles are another 'none important' item.

[cyncooper]

Haven't a clue, dems. The fact remains that it is her blood in his MH and on his *freshly drycleaned, with that particular trip to drycleaners not revealed to police, jacket*. Now, many here think there could be a time she was in the MH to play. That is a theory and there has been no evidence yet to support it. I will listen to any evidence that supports this contention if it comes up. In the mean time it is reasonable to be suspicious of DW.

[UCANSEE2]

and cyncooper's question was not answered which is a serious question.

What was his question? I missed it and I am too lazy to go back and find it.

[UCANSEE2]

Brenda did say that Damon wasn't happy about his little girl growing up so fast.

Isn't this something that a father that molests his child and doesn't want her growing up because she will know it's wrong, says?

[Freedom2specul8]

http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/news/705164/posts?page=458 #458

[Rheo]

The pj's we were told she was wearing were light blue w/cascading flowers...the ones on her floor are light blue Powder Puff girls.....2 different pj's IMO unless we were lied to from the VD's, for whatever reason.

The ones on the floor are important to the prosecution now cuz they have blood on the cuff....even if it was a nosebleed from 2 nights before and not related to that night.

Where was the white shirt she had on for the passport pic that day?...only the long sleeve purple one was on the floor...did she ever even get into pj's that night??

[Karson]

Dang! You sure are fickle. A minute ago I was a better investigator than SDPD and now the sparkles are another 'none important' item. Make up your mind. ;-)

[jacquej]

Yes, of course I have , Kim. While following what everyone thinks regarding this case, I do not post very often, as I do not want to repeat what others have said, and only speak up when I think something may have been forgotten or overlooked. I try to offer information based on my own experience, assuming others can take it or leave it if it doesn't match their own . I had no "dog" in the dust up between you and Miz, but am beginning to understand why you were banned.

I try to put aside my emotions when watching a trial, and see if the evidence presented meets "the burden of proof", and in spite of how I feel about the defendant, the victim's family, or the horrendous nature of the crime, I try to keep an open and logical mind, using all the reason and experience my 58 years on this sorry earth have allowed me to develop, so far!

Try to be a bit more objective, and a bit less emotional, as I really think it will help you to understand why others may not share your opinion regarding the possible guilt of David Westerfiled.

[UCANSEE2]

Or it could be she was supposed to have them on (as in " I put her to bed about 10:30pm"), and he knew she didn't have them on and why. To admit he knew this would instantly incriminate him.

[cyncooper]

Jacque, I do thank you for your response. Of course, all of those concepts are not foreign to me.

The fact is there is evidence of Danielle in DW's home and RV and possibly of him and/or his home/RV at the Dehesa site. It is not unreasonable for some to think the police arrested the correct man. It remains to be seen if the prosecution proves their case beyond a reasonable doubt, but so far they've done a good job.

We can disagree without being disagreeable and saying some care about the Constitution (implying those in disagreement don't) and saying some are on par with terrorists.

[UCANSEE2]

I'm confused about the pjs along with everybody else. The pjs that Brenda described and the pjs that Dorie Savage found on Danielle's floor are not the same. Similar in color maybe but not the same.

I think that the truth about the PJ's doesn't help provide any incrimination against DW, and could possibly either make the DW's look worse, or totally incriminate them, so the investigators and the Prosecution is letting be UNCLEAR. Just like the rest of this case, CLEAR AS MUD.

[cyncooper]

Anybody with little girls know that there are sparkles aplenty on a myriad of items, from inkpens, to hair ornaments, to clothes, to jewelry boxes, to diaries, to shoes. Well, I could go on, but you get the picture.

[Karson]

Where was the white shirt she had on for the passport pic that day?...only the long sleeve purple one was on the floor...did she ever even get into pj's that night??

I wondered if the purple shirt on the floor was the one she supposedly wore on Friday but the passport pic makes the shirt look light blue to me, not purple. Since the photo is a head shot, can't tell if it's long sleeved or not.

[demsux]

Thanks for the reply, cyn.

[spectre]

You are correct in the description she gave about Danielle's PJ's..and they didn't match the ones found on the floor.

What is missing from this picture, is that Brenda said she bought TWO pairs of identical PJ's (with the little flowers) so when Danielle's friend spent the night, they could dress alike.

I can't source it out, am too tired, but someone else can.

sw

[jacquej]

I was offering my understanding of MisSterious view of assuming the guilt of a defendant based evidence that appears to some to be highly flawed, with many other possible explanations.

I am assuming she is bothered by what appears to be a rush to judgement, and I can understnad that, as it certainly has happened before in the history of this country, and it is always a danger when it does, not only to the individual accused, but to a group or groups who are seen as suspect.

[Mrs.Liberty]

Per RR, Damon has been banned from the courtroom by Judge Mudd. He has been intimidating DW when DW is entering the courtroom. Also unconfirmed (per JAMS) is that Brenda has been seen making gestures to the jury and some are uncomfortable with that.

[cyncooper]

Brenda did say that Damon wasn't happy about his little girl growing up so fast.

Isn't this something that a father that molests his child and doesn't want her growing up because she will know it's wrong, says?

No, Ucan, it is something loving fathers and mothers say all the time.

[Karson]

Anybody with little girls know ...

I had to chuckle here. I know about little girl stuff. We have 4 daughters and 5 granddaughters.

I didn't say the sparkles came from her outfit. I said I wonder if they did and if so, when did she wear it. But she probably did try the outfit on at some point after the shopping trip and before pizza?

Brenda did say Danielle's carpet was steam cleaned a couple of days? before she disappeared so the sparkles couldn't have been there very long.