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Millions, you say? What, did you go out an interview a million people, or just assume a million people agree with you? You don't just presume things like that! It's true many people have some agreement and sympathy for your views and concerns. But aren't these people entitled to have other concerns besides this one?

I don't agree with this general assesment that this great horde of people are streaming across the border every day. I also don't believe that the great number of them are illegal! There is also the possibility that dangerous elements are coming from other places, such as the Canadian border. Some can and have come by sea or air, from other countries. Don't you remember the report of the terrorists who came into the country in a shipping container?

Another concern of a lot of people, is the enemy within. You know, the extreme leftists in our midst, some in our Congress, the media, etc.... I don't know about you, but one of my fears is that some of these leftists, Socialists, Marxist, Progressives, (whatever they call themselves) are going to get too powerfull, and take over our government completely! One of my own personal nightmares is waking up one morning, and a crew of leftists throws over G. Bush's government. Now that's only a nightmare. I hope it never becomes a reality!

But I hope you understand why I, and I believe many other people (I'm not going to claim high numbers, that's being presumptuous), are not worried about some immigrants coming over the border right now. I do have concern, but there are other places and people to be concerned about right now. Those people are: Osama Bin Laden's bunch, Al Qaeda (sp?), Saddam Hussein, the Chinese, the North Koreans, you know, the usual suspects. And oh yes, the extreme leftists.

And my views on this issue are not just mine, as there are millions of Amercan citizens with the very same views and feel there is no bigger, or threatening issue facing this nation. Millions of American citizens are more than angry that our leadership stands in total silence regarding this issue.

"Millions, you say? What, did you go out an interview a million people, or just assume a million people agree with you? You don't just presume things like that!"

Yes, many millions. Did I interview them? Uh, no I didn't. But I did work for two years helping put forth California's historical Proposition 187, so I do have a little insight into this. Those of you in Utah may not be familier with it. Here, let me help you.

Several year ago, the people of the great state of California held a free election and voted 3 to 1 in favor of proposition 187, which would have put a stop to the tax paid support of millions of illegal aliens. And WE WON THE ELECTION. The federal government then stepped in and burned our ballots and declared our election unconstitutional.

And this was just the citizens in California. It does not include the people in Texas, Arizona, Tennessee, etc, etc, etc, that have hadenuf.

Now, what were you saying about me presuming and assuming? It seems you are the one that is doing the assuming.

I don't agree with this general assesment that this great horde of people are streaming across the border every day.

There you go assuming again

To: Jim Robinson; Joe Hadenuf; 4Freedom; Meaghan; Tancredo Fan; Sabertooth

JimRob,

First off I would like to thank you for creating and running the Free Republic. In my opinion, it is the best site on the internet.

Secondly, I respect your opinion on Illegal Immigration, even if I think it is misplaced.

There have been numerous studies on the cost of illegal immigration and the effects of mass immigration. If you have not already done so, please visit the Center for Immigration Studies at http://www.cis.org/

Below is some information I have been working on since the first of this year. I plan on writing a paper on the number of illegals that entered the US, one year after the attacks on September 11th.

Please read it and consider the information,

Thanks and Semper Fi,

Marine Inspector

US BORDER PATROL, MEXICAN BORDER, APPREHENSION INFORMATION

Date Range: 09/12/2001 To 06/11/2002

(last updated 06/11/2002) In the 9 months since September 11th, the US Border Patrol has apprehended 661,605 illegal aliens attempting to cross the US/Mexico border illegally.

These are the official numbers per Border Patrol Sector:

San Diego Sector - 69,749 El Centro Sector - 75,093 Yuma Sector - 31,245 Tucson Sector - 233,215 El Paso Sector - 64926 Marfa Sector - 8,553 Del Rio Sector - 53,794 Laredo Sector - 62,149 McAllen Sector - 62,881

Some of these apprehensions are what we call recidivist apprehensions. A recidivist apprehension, is an illegal that has been apprehended before. That apprehension may have been during the reporting period or it may have been before the reporting period and the illegal may have been apprehended several times.

For this presentation, I will subtract the recidivist apprehensions from the total apprehensions. 661,605 - 256,882 = 404,723.

This gives our base figure of new illegal alien apprehensions. This figure is not 100% accurate, as some apprehensions go unreported and we have removed the aliens that have been apprehended by the INS before.

So, since September 11th, the US Border Patrol has apprehended approximately 404,723 new illegal aliens attempting to illegally cross the US/Mexico border.

The Border Patrol estimate that they apprehend only 20% of the illegal aliens crossing into the United States. That means 4 illegal aliens get through for every one apprehended.

Independent Immigration experts estimate that the Border Patrol apprehends only 10% of the illegal aliens crossing into the United States. That means 9 illegal aliens get through for every one apprehension.

For this presentation, I will use the Border Patrol estimate of 20%.

So, if the Border Patrol apprehended 404,723 new illegal aliens since September 11th, the number of illegal aliens that made it into the United States undetected would be approximately 1,618,892. Although it could be as high as 3,642,507.

This is an average of over 6,000 illegal aliens crossing into the United States from Mexico, undetected daily.

You must remember that these figures only reflect approximately 60% of the illegal aliens attempting to enter the US. I have not included the official US Ports of Entry along the US/Mexico border or the US/Canada border and I have not included any airport or interior apprehensions or the Border Patrol apprehensions along the US/Canada border. Using those numbers, would push the daily total of illegals entering the US to over 10,000.

439 posted on 6/24/02 11:12 AM Pacific by Marine Inspector [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 405 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

For this upcoming election cycle, what's more important than who we choose to vote for is volunteering to watch the polling places and the vote count. The democrats only win by fraud. That the media presents them as a hugely popular, equally supported ideology to conservatism doesn't make it true. They're really without significant support outside the cities.

Recent electoral history shows that more people will vote for conservatives running on conservative principles than will vote for marxists who call themselves "liberals" or democrats. That's what makes me believe that the actual numbers of liberal voters are much smaller than the media and the fraudulently produced vote totals tell us. Gore got a huge number of illegal votes and democrat controlled precincts manufactured an even larger number of votes for him. That was very apparent in 2000.

Denying the crooks any cover for their fraud is important. Getting rid of illegal invaders will go a long way toward depriving the opposition of votes from ineligible voters. Before that can be done, watching the ballots and the polling places is essential.

For whatever reason, the GOP is unwilling to confront vote fraud by the opposition. We need to do it for ourselves, since they won't take an official stance.

I don't agree with this general assesment that this great horde of people are streaming across the border every day. I also don't believe that the great number of them are illegal!

500,000,000 people enter the United States each year. This included the US citizens that return from trips abroad. That’s 1,369,863 people a day crossing the border. That’s a pretty big hoard.

In the 9 months since September 11th, the INS has apprehended 834,442 illegal aliens.

81% (675,999) of those crossed the border illegally.

Of that number, over 97% (661,605) crossed from Mexico.

19 or 20 illegals apprehended are Mexican.

Yes illegals come in from the air and land and sea. But if the dam has several holes in it, do you plug the small holes first or do you plug the big hole (the Mexican border)?