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To: ImpBill
Great criticism, I'm one od those so called "Pragmatic" conservatives. I Live in reallity. I know the party has problems and I'm willing to work to combat that. I will vote for those Republicans who uphold my ideals, but I will not vote for a cannidate who cannot win and there by elect a cannidate who I absolutly don't wan't. I also will not elect a canidate I don't want through the omision of my vote. If you have any constructive suggestions besides the offhand comment I'll be glad to listen.
55 posted on 06/23/2002 12:48:15 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972
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To: tricky_k_1972
If you have any constructive suggestions besides the offhand comment I'll be glad to listen.

I know this post was not to me, but I have a constuctive suggestion.

I suggest you study political philosophys and policies of both the Pubs and the Dems since say 1960 (just to keep it resonably short) with an eye to the leftward tend of both parties. What was consider left wing then(1960) i.e. Kennedy's policies would be considered almost Libertarian today. And todays so called right wing conservative policies would be considered part of the loony left in 1960. Just IMHO. Just a suggestion.

95 posted on 06/23/2002 1:49:04 PM PDT by thrcanbonly1
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To: tricky_k_1972
Well it seems as if you and others must have an itch in your jeans.

Did I suggest you leave the party? Nope. I think it is just peachy keen that you have made the choice to stay with the GOP and be one of the "NEW BASE" of pragmatists.

I don't have any suggestions for you nor the GOP. I am not a member, these days. Gave them 32 years of loyal support and when I decided I could no longer loyally support the pragmatic approach to governance that leaves principles in the gutter, I left. That was my solution, and of course the door didn't hit me on the butt on the way out. And my friend you are absolutely able to make those decisions for yourself without my thoughts. The party while being the only party in viable opposition to the liberal wing of the other party keeps fielding candidates that don't support the same conservative (fidelity to the Constitution) agenda I happen to believe in and support. I sure hope you are not saying anyone has to belong to a "party", regardless on how they feel about principle to take part in our system of governance. If so then the re-education of the American electorate has deteriorated further than even I had suspected.

I still vote, as I have in every election since 1968. I would say that GOP candidates would still get my vote in the future as I am not a supporter of the Third Party way, but I could be convinced to change my view on that if the GOP continues to field candidates that talk the talk, but once elected somehow forget how to walk the walk.

Let me ask you a question, if I may. Why is it that so many still loyal to the "party" get so exercised with those of us who left? Other than the volunteer work I have done in the past and the small financial contributions I gave to the "party" from time to time, the party isn't suffering at all by my departure, is it? And given that I still vote primarily for GOP candidates on election day, why is it that I and others are somehow painted to be disloyal to the conservative cause by stating we don't believe the GOP any longer cares or acts on the defining conservative issues?

121 posted on 06/23/2002 2:23:27 PM PDT by ImpBill
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To: tricky_k_1972
but I will not vote for a cannidate who cannot win and there by elect a cannidate who I absolutly don't wan't. I also will not elect a canidate I don't want through the omision of my vote. If you have any constructive suggestions besides the offhand comment I'll be glad to listen.

You are not willing to hold out until the RINO's feel the pain. They must sense personal political risk before they'll even negotiate on change, much less carry out change. You need to be willing to stand on principle no matter how much whining you hear about how, "The other side will win and whiny whiny whine whine..."

Message to the RINO's - You change. You give. Or YOU risk losing everything.

214 posted on 06/23/2002 9:13:34 PM PDT by Lester Moore
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