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Who will build 1,500 power plants we need?
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 23, 2002 | BERNARD L. WEINSTEIN

Posted on 06/23/2002 8:16:59 AM PDT by Dog Gone

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To: snopercod
Amazing! You should be as busy as a one-armed guy with the hives. Instead you are idled while our country runs low on power capacity. What has gone wrong? Why aren't you working building power plants?
21 posted on 06/23/2002 10:03:47 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Dog Gone
Soon US consumers will have the choice of making their own electricity for their home or business.The proton exchange membrane fuel cell will make this possible for anyone with access to natural gas,among other hydrocarbons.
22 posted on 06/23/2002 10:03:55 AM PDT by Petar Mrkonjic
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To: snopercod
From the obvious self-destruction model of "deregulation", Kali style, to post 9/11 loss of terrorism insurance, power plants will hardly be built. Any construction will depend on government loan guarantees/subsidies.

With the pantheistic worshipping envirocommies' economy disruption tactics merged with stupid and/or corrupt politicans/bureaucrats enforcing self-destructive regulations, why would any investor build anything?

American nuke power plant designs will have to be totally reworked given the needed defensible target perameter. Right now a 24/7 platoon strength unit with armor, missle Humvees, active on-site air defense, and serious physical barriers are needed, but not yet on site.

Only our socialists have the answer. When government creates a problem, government is the only solution. Bureaucrats hire even more people to help them still not do their jobs. Government will build its own power plants, as the power industry is effectively nationalized.

The Office of Personnel Mangement may have your job listing as perhaps a GS-11.
23 posted on 06/23/2002 10:04:08 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: Dog Gone
For example, over the next two decades, the nation will need about 1,500 new electric plants to meet projected demand.

A little simple math tells me we need an average of 30 plants built per state. Do we need to build 30 in one year or two per year over fifteen years or one per state per year

How many do we have on line currently? How many can be upgraded?

Also, does this projection take into consideration better efficiency and materials to conserve power consumption?

I don't see a train wreck coming, maybe a pile up with a bunch of rubber neckers getting in the way.

24 posted on 06/23/2002 10:11:28 AM PDT by JZoback
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To: Dog Gone
It would seem there would be an excellent opportunity for some wise investors to build some nuclear power plants in Mexico and sell electricity to the US.
25 posted on 06/23/2002 10:12:48 AM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: Diogenesis
"continue to obstruct reseach in new energy production"

Are you referring to the enviro-wackos laughable attempts to create serious wattage from bio-gas and the like? I don't blame the Bush admin for the appropriate level of scorn they have applied to the infantile approach of the greenies. The return in wattage per dollar spent is scandalous.

We already have the answer: nuclear power plants. The only problem is that they take a long time to build, and the crunch is sure to come before ANY solution, even small, rapid build plants (like coal and natural gas plants) could be built.

But Clinton, Gore and Richardson knew that throughout the course of their stay in DC. With all the data available to them, and the length of time required remedy the problem, is there any sincere doubt that it was arranged on purpose - driven by a byzantine, malthusian view of our society's demolition. It's a slow bullet, fired years ago, and we have yet to count the damage that a chronic series of power outages and shortages will cause.

26 posted on 06/23/2002 10:18:24 AM PDT by Thisiswhoweare
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Why aren't you working building power plants?

My experience is in nuclear and coal plants, none of which are being built these days. As we all know, the basic engineering fundamentals in those types of plants don't apply to the new gas turbines </sarcasm>.

Also, I am over 50.

Furthermore, I won't travel halfway across the country and set up a second household for $19 per hour.

27 posted on 06/23/2002 10:19:46 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: Dog Gone
Imo we need to go back and look at the cleanest source of electricity today....you guessed it, nuclear.
28 posted on 06/23/2002 10:29:26 AM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: JmyBryan; Dog Gone; *calpowercrisis; randita; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; okie01; socal_parrot; ...
It would seem there would be an excellent opportunity for some wise investors to build some nuclear power plants in Mexico and sell electricity to the US.

I have not heard of any nuclear power plants proposed in Mexico but there are efforts to build Natural gas powered generators across the California border. However there are Congressional people trying to put strigent air quality standards on them.

More interesting but longer term there are efforts to build LNG facilities at various places on the West Coast (Mexico included_) to bring in natural Gas from non US sources.

References:

California: Big play, Big risks - companies gamble billions on LNG projects worldwide

(Cal)Border energy projects take political heat

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29 posted on 06/23/2002 10:35:18 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: maximus@Nashville
The RAT governor of North Carolina, aided and abetted by the RINO Rep. Charles Taylor, is blaming you Tennesseeans for the smoke in the Smoky Mountains. They just forced the utilities in NC to spend $2.3 billion on scrubbers [link]

A while back I wrote this letter to the Transylvania Times [Brevard, NC]:

Editor--

I read with interest the article "WNC death rate linked to air quality" in your May 26th edition. The piece was intended to be a summary of the GAO report written at the request of Congressman Taylor, and implied that coal-fired power plants in Tennessee were responsible for respiratory deaths in and around the Great Smoky Mountains.

During these modern times, one must expect articles such as this when a journalist writes a slanted story on a bogus report produced by accountants posing as scientists for a power-hungry politician. But before your readers in WNC run out and buy more life insurance, I hope they will spend a moment thinking of two things.

Exactly when and how did the Smoky Mountains get smoky?

The answers are simple: A smoky blue haze was hanging over these mountains millions of years ago - long before the first power plant or automobile was ever thought of, and long before mankind ever built campfires here. When the Cherokee Indians first came, they named the area Sha-co-na-qe, meaning "place of blue smoke." (The Cherokees, apparently being more intelligent than Congressman Taylor, did not blame TVA power plants or automobiles on the Parkway for the blue haze, but instead called the place sacred.)

The reason for the haze over our mountains is the trees and vegetation!

Each tree in the Smoky Mountains emits 3-5 times as many Volatile Organic Compounds [VOCs] per unit weight as the EPA would allow if it were…say…a bakery. On a hot summer day, roughly a million gallons of water vapor and 100 pounds of hydrocarbons are given off by each square mile of forest in North Carolina. These naturally-produced VOCs - mostly isoprenes and terpenes - combine with Nitrogen oxides in the atmosphere and the energy from the sun to produce ozone. It is the ozone which causes the haze and some of the respiratory problems, although the isoprenes and terpenes are themselves believed to be carcinogenic. The pollen can be a health problem, too, as many of us know.

So if Congressman Taylor is serious about curing the alleged respiratory problems in the Smoky Mountains, he should introduce legislation to have the mountains clear cut and paved with asphalt.

That makes about as much sense as what he is proposing, which is to bring the California power crisis to North Carolina.


30 posted on 06/23/2002 10:37:07 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: Petar Mrkonjic
Soon US consumers will have the choice of making their own electricity for their home...

Now for something completely different. Freedom Technologies uses magnets.

An interesting saga, the plan is to roll out the product in December in every state of the Union. They have presented their case to the Federal and State governments and they are still in business.

Read about it for yourself. It's posted to provide information only.

31 posted on 06/23/2002 10:39:04 AM PDT by ohmage
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To: snopercod
You should move to Finland.
32 posted on 06/23/2002 10:41:33 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: ohmage
The story is on the details page and I can't get you directly there from here.

Hope I didn't offend anybody.

33 posted on 06/23/2002 10:44:20 AM PDT by ohmage
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To: snopercod
LOL! I recognize that letter!
34 posted on 06/23/2002 10:45:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: daviddennis
I bought CPN stock a few weeks ago. I got stopped out of the trade for a loss when it took a 12% dive in one trading day. It was already low when I bought it. Caveat Emptor. They just announced that making earnings will be "a challenge".
35 posted on 06/23/2002 10:46:07 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: daviddennis
Please don't rely on my opinion for making a stock investment! I thought ValuJet was a good stock to buy after the crash in the Everglades, and what I learned was that a stock that has fallen a long ways can still fall further, LOL.

My bias against Calpine was largely derived from the fact that it was California's biggest private power producer, selling at the same spot market as everyone else, but was immune to any criticism (and rarely even a mention) by Governor Davis. Then the cronyism links and financial ties to the Davis administration started coming out, and I thought it stunk.

Calpine was doing many of the same things as Enron insofar as trading power and booking a lot of profits that weren't very real. But one big difference is that Calpine really did generate electricity and there are hard assets in that company.

It's quite obvious that they bit off more than they could chew in terms of expansion plans, and they've had to cancel or "postpone indefinitely" a majority of their new plant projects. They've taken a major beating in the credit markets and they are clearly in far worse shape than they were before this whole episode began.

I simply don't know what the book value of their current assets are, and it's entirely possible that the stock has been oversold. It seems likely to me that the entire power sector has been oversold as nervous investors are dumping everything related to power.

That probably means that some of these stocks are selling at a bargain rate right now because this country needs more of what these companies are selling. Whichever companies pick up the pieces and become dominant are likely to score major gains in the years ahead.

Whether Calpine is one of those, I'm not sure. They made some really bad decisions that cost them billions of dollars, and the management hasn't changed.

Maybe they've learned from their lesson, but I'm not convinced of it. They still want to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in California power plants, and California has demonstrated repeatedly that it's willing to put hundreds of millions of costly roadblocks in the path of power generators.

If you're making a small investment, I wouldn't oppose investing in Calpine. I think if you want to be sure of some solid gains with a larger investment, I would buy stock in several of these companies because the sector, as a whole, is certain to rebound.

36 posted on 06/23/2002 10:52:03 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I will
37 posted on 06/23/2002 10:58:56 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Mean Daddy
Make that a possible third in the SE by Alliant, somewhere between Ottumwa and Keokuk.
38 posted on 06/23/2002 11:02:35 AM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: Dog Gone
Why are we burning NATURAL GAS (a ready and inexpensive source for energy for MOBILE applications) in STATIONARY POWER PLANTS?
And WHY, in God's name, are we NOT moving ahead with SAFE, CLEAN NUCLEAR POWER (from which France now gets over 80% of ITS power)? We WILL solve the waste problem -- safely and cleanly. Since it takes over a decade to get a new nuke certified, we'd better get started now.
No one died at Three Mile Island. People DID at Chernobyl, of course, but that was an antiquated carbon pile system controlled by equally antiquated technology operated by undertrained personnel.


39 posted on 06/23/2002 11:22:19 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert
Too much logic in your comments!
40 posted on 06/23/2002 11:58:12 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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