They Died for a Just and Honorable Cause. (Did They, Really?)

DreamScape ^ | 6/22/02 | Mom_Grandmother

[Mom_Grandmother]

Several professors at the University of New Mexico and a prominent local Hispanic activist were contacted for comment on UNM Professor Charles Truxillo's (a guest on Hannity & Colmbs just yesterday) concept for a new Hispanic nation called the Republic of the North. The professors were asked in particular about Truxillo's contention that U.S. states retain the right to secede. Truxillo said the states had that right under the Articles of Confederation of 1777, in which each state retained its own "sovereignty, freedom and independence." He said the Articles of Confederation were not superseded in that regard by the U.S. Constitution of 1787 and added that, although the North's victory settled the question of secession militarily, it was never resolved by court ruling.

"The bottom line: What's possible is what people want to be possible. If five states wanted to secede and the rest of the country wanted to let them go, it could happen." ( Daniel Feller, professor of history)

But Charles could very well be right. It could happen. There are any number of political scenarios that could make it happen. But it would take Mexican-Americans getting organized enough to do it. "I've studied lots of civilizations. The United States is just like any other empire. It's not going to live forever. Eventually it will break down because of stresses." (Juan Jose Peña, Hispanic activist and vice chairman of the Hispanic Roundtable)

The Republic of the North -- he predicts its creation as "an inevitability" -- would include all of the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado." (Charles Truxillo, a professor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico,)

[Commander8]

La Raza is pushing Aztlan and the GOP is aiding and abetting them by trading principle for Hispanic votes.

[mdittmar]

"The bottom line: What's possible is what people want to be possible. If five states wanted to secede and the rest of the country wanted to let them go, it could happen."

and there's the rub,ain't gonna happen.

[Militiaman7]

I had distant relatives fighting along side Sam Houston in the Texas War for Independence from Mexico.

I still have relatives in Texas and I don't think they'd take kindly to Mexicans, Latinos, Hispanics or whatever trying to take over.

[chaosagent]

How far do they want to go back?

All of this land belonged to various Indian tribes before Mexico took it. And they never really controlled it.

And of course, the Spanish took it from the Mayans, the Inca's, the Olmecs, etc.

Tell you what, I'll consider giving this land back to the Indians who originally had it, if all people of Spanish descent get out of Mexico, Central American, and South America, and give it back to the indigenous tribes.

[Imal]

The Republic of the North -- he predicts its creation as "an inevitability" -- would include all of the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado."

They'd better be ready for a fight. And they have already gotten a taste of what 184 Texans can do.

We'll just see how "inevitable" the "unification of Aztlan" will be. I, for one, will not stand idly by while backward racists ("La Raza" = "The Race") try to steal U.S. territory. They'll get no better than the Confederacy did, and probably much worse for good measure.

Imal

[pikachu]

1. The Alamo defenders were orignally seeking to have Mexican constitution of 1824 restored after Dictator Santa Anna made up his own laws. The Mexican Government of the era lost a lot of supporters after the slaughter of the protestors in the Alamo and Golidad.

2. States right of sucession was considered pretty much moot by April 1865. Texas may have made a valid point for disassociation as it was part of the agreement when the COUNTRY of Texas joined the COUNTRY of the United States of American.

3. Any Mexican country carved out of US territory would probably end up being very much like the Mexican country run by Mexicans currently. Power would be held by a few rich families and 20-40 percent of the popualtion would have to go North to the next country to find employment. Imposition of the Mexican legal system, such as it is, on people used to the USA's legal system would have to be forced by an iron fist.

4. The best deal would be for the northern states of Mexico to form a confederation, hold a very brief 'The Mouse that Roared' system military action agaisnt the US, and wait for US aid to pour in.

[Mom_Grandmother]

"Some seven men had survived the general carnage and... they were brought before Santa Anna. Among them... was the naturalist Davy Crockett... Santa Anna... ordered his execution... Though tortured before they were killed, these unfortunates died without complaining and without humiliating themselves before their torturers."

[Paul Ross]

And as the last election proved, the brilliant political pundits advising GWB, have done a poor trade, as the votes have not materialized. And never will.

[Tacis]

Always remember that the folks who lead these campaigns are following the Bareback Jackson shakedown model. They know it will never happen but figure there is noteriety in advocating the cause (sells books) and maybe someone will pay them to go across the street and rant in front of a competitors business.

The Mexicans were dumb to encourage Yankees to settle in the barren lands of Texas. The Mexicans assumed we'd be just like the mestizos (Mexican Indian, quasi-slaves) and be obedient in all things and that we could be handled. Sort of like the Indians in New England when the Pilgrims landed.

It is that same difference in culture that will ensure the Aztlan will never happen. The only hint of civilization that Mexico has today, comes from the outside, Spain, France and the US. Beyond a few Aztec place names and Indian racial traits, nothing remains of the native culture.

[Paul Ross]

There is no state of Southern Colorado. So much for Truxillo.

[PoppingSmoke]

"The United States is just like any other empire. It's not going to live forever. Eventually it will break down because of stresses." (Juan Jose Peña, Hispanic activist and vice chairman of the Hispanic Roundtable)"

Over my dead body!

[Paul Ross]

Bump. Keep the history going, the Mexico-Revisionists are just spiral-eyed whack jobs.

[Mom_Grandmother]

"There is no state of Southern Colorado. So much for Truxillo."

I watched the little Prick on Hannity & Colmbs last night, he's still a small turd floating around with even smaller turds.

[MamaSwami]

re: "And of course, the Spanish took it from the Mayans, the Inca's, the Olmecs, etc."

You took the words out of my mouth. While reading that alternative "history" of the Alamo, it seemed to me that the surviving Mayas and Aztecs probably have an alternative history of the Spanish takeover of Mexico. If these clowns keep this up, it might be interesting if someone went to Mexico to seek out that alternative view ;).

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

would include all of the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado.

Well... could we maybe let them have California? Maybe not.

As for Texas...

Click to read the history of the Gonzales Flag

[Restorer]

Mexico didn't even gain its independence of Spain till 1821, so their total period of control of Texas was 15 years. As others have pointed out, it was marginal even during this period, with the vast majority of the state unoccupied.

Hardly seems like this ephemeral occupancy has a better claim to legitimacy than over 150 years of Anglo-American control.

[nanny]

Sorry folks, it is already happening. If President Bush does not close the borders and round them up, Texas will become such a cesspool, we will be happy to give it back.

I have seen what is happening to communities here. I have seen people in small towns, people living in fear and their property devalued because someone put in a trailer park for these illegals. Employment in small towns is a very precious and scarce commodity and when the balance of the economy is tipped for these people to come in and take over as the primary employees of a industry (I am speaking agribusiness), then others loose their jobs at the banks, schools, grocery stores, and government offices such as welfare, etc., because they are not hispanic.

But for all the bravado, I will not hold my breath for anyone to fight this. If we were going to fight it, we would be boycotting the industries that bring them here. President Bush and other politicians would be so concerned about 'our' votes, they would be sending these people home and getting them out of our communities and our lives. But we are doing nothing and that is exactly what we will continue to do until the government man comes ---

[Twodees]

Remember mudbone's version?

"A hunnerd white boys kicked two thousan Mexicans in the ass at the Alamo. That's what kinda army they had."