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Ronald Reagan stood by the Republican Party through good times and bad, he never turned his back on it.

He didn't abandon the GOP in order to somehow strenghten it by assuring that the Democrats win. He worked from within the party.

Right now, the GOP is where the majority of every stripe of conservative is making a stand, that's where the trenches are.

Now, some are saying that they will stand on principle and simply walk off the battlefield. Go wait somewhere back, deep behind the lines, for the war to reach them, they're willing to allow the enemy's encroachment that far into our territory to "shock" conservatives into "doing the right thing".

What I don't know is whether they are standing ahead of, or behind the line of our total defeat.

Do you?

I didn't think so.

Luis, you know good and well that Reagan is a former Democrat that left his Party. To be more accurate Reagan said, "I didn't leave my Party, my Party left me".

I don't think anyone should be considering leaving the Republican Party to socialism without one heck of a ugly dog fight. Not to put too fine a point on it, moderates don't seem to have a dog in this fight, or want one. Nor do they intend to protest actions that if a Democrat President took would have them howling at the moon.

Some conservatives feel they do have a dog in this fight, and to many conservatives, dumping Bush in 2004 is not dumping the Republican Party it's saving it. I don't think name calling and finger pointing is called for while disinfranchized conservatives, who think eight years of Bush is more dangerous than four years of Hillary, hammer out a strategy. That comes in stages, first anger and discontent, stating why, then hopefully organizing into something more than just discontent by calling the RNC and letting them know just how they feel.

Some on this site want to air the obvious Bush failures for the conservative base and feel free to do so without having a crew of other members come buy like zoo keepers busily shoveling the truth of the matter into a wheelbarrow and carting it off. Dumping the truth is never a good idea, no matter how one justifies it.

That some members here want to stifle the free exchange of information and ideas speaks volumes about them and it ain't pretty. This is however a private site and if Jim Rob doesn't want these things discussed here then that puts a whole nother light on the matter.