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Special Prosecutor Beth Wilkinson flat out lied to Judge Richard Matsch. She told the judge that Strassmeir was "A mere wisp of the wind." She said Strassmeir’s only problem was that he might have overstayed his visa. She falsely stated that the letters "A" and "O" on Strassmeir’s immigration record stood for "admitted" and "overstayed" respectively.

Wilkinson also falsely told the judge that Carol Howe had been fired by the BATF as mentally unstable and untrustworthy. She falsified the date Howe left the service of the BATF...."

I'm glad I'm not Beth Wilkinson because she sure looks like a prime candidate for goat. IMO she richly deserves it, but she looks like a good place to park the guilt of those who knew exactly what they were doing when they suppressed evidence and pressed for an early execution of McVeigh. It's also possible that some of them did mistakenly listen to and believe her lies. Anybody who stands to be in harsh light as this story comes out would do well to QUICKLY and LOUDLY tell the public they were mislead...

This story IS coming out--there are too many people with a public voice who are talking about it now. The one that shocked me was Greta Van Sustern, old Clintonista/Scientologist. Why did she give air time to Jayna Davis for this? Greta is not dumb. She has to see the implications this has for the TRIMexPOTUS Scumbag & Co.

Is it possible that the insiders have realized the lid is NOT going to stay on this one and they'll look a lot better as part of the exposure team than part of the cover up team? John A., take note! Is it possible that hooking Saddam to OKC has become important enough to leave the Scumbag twisting in the wind? I don't know why, but something has shifted somewhere.

Lawdog, the Murrah Bldg. security was contracted to TEG/AKAL. They are not Pakistani, but Sikhs (Indian). A couple loose facts--make of them what you will: One of the Indian languages is Urdu which is also spoken in Afghanistan and I THINK in Pakistan. Sikhs and Pakistanis both want to see a Kashmir separate from India.

Nita, I hear what you're saying about FBI cover up with orders coming from on high, but don't forget the presence of Andi the German. The BEST the Feds can hope for is to present their involvement/complicity as a sting gone wrong. Unless Strassmeier was working with the Iragis but not with our own Feds. Possible I suppose. That would have HUGE ramifications, bigger IMO than a ruined sting. Remember Freeh went to Germany a year or two earlier to set up cooperation between German intelligence (which Andi is) and the FBI.

Glorygirl, I've always thought the Chandra thing had to do with BOP and probably McVeigh.

Condit was quoted in Newsweek last Auguest as saying Levy seemed "overly concerned" about the McVeigh execution.

I didn't remember that, but it's astonishing! I wonder if that had anything to do with some of his colleagues continuing to support him or going back on their denunciations of him, not to mention that he was allowed to stay on the Intelligence Committee and work with Homeland Security... He's very lucky IMO that he only ended up discredited and out of office instead of like Ron Brown. That Newsweek quote sounds a lot like, "I'm not going down alone."

From August 26, 2001 edition of Newsweek (had to pay to access it on the web)Michael Isikoff interviewed Condit:
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Isikoff:
Was there any issue [between you at] that time?

Condit:
I never had a cross word with her. The kind of conversation we had would be--[when Timothy] McVeigh was executed and Juan Garza was executed. She seemed to have a lot of interest in those two things and a lot of more interest in them than I did. So she would talk about that.

Isikoff:
You talked about McVeigh--

Condit:
Yeah, because she was part of--she had something to do with distribution of information.... She might have called and said, 'Hey, I read they are building a new federal prison down in your district and they are going to employ 350 people,' and blah, blah, blah. And I might call her back and she might share information with me.... She read all the local newspapers on the Internet. She might call up and say, 'What's going on with that crazy mayor in Modesto? He sounds nuts. Let's talk about it.' So I know that may sound sort of mundane to you, but that's sort of the way the conversations took place. There was really no heavy--I mean, we might get into a philosophical discussion about Israel or foreign aid or something like that, but that was pretty unusual.

Isikoff:
But how about personal stuff, her personal life, her private life?

Condit:
She was very focused on her career--actually, I was advising her to slow down a little bit and not push herself so hard in terms of whether she had to make a decision about going to law school or she wanted to go to work for the FBI or CIA. We talked about that, but she was very focused on her career and what she was going to do. I actually thought that, which I think she thought, too, when she came and told me that morning that she had lost her possibility to get a job, she thought the next job that opened up she was going to get.

Isikoff:
And did you want her to come back to D.C.?

Condit:
I wanted her to do what she wanted to do.
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It struck me as odd at the time that Condit said "when McVeigh was executed" as though McVeigh had been executed BEFORE Chandra's death.

Thnaks for the info on the security firm. I couldn't remember but I knew they had a "foreign connection". Thanks.

Dang, who keeps switchin' the letters around ?

"thanks"

"One of the Indian languages is Urdu which is also spoken in Afghanistan and I THINK in Pakistan"

Urdu is spoken in Pakistan.

Nita, I hear what you're saying about FBI cover up with orders coming from on high, but don't forget the presence of Andi the German. The BEST the Feds can hope for is to present their involvement/complicity as a sting gone wrong. Unless Strassmeier was working with the Iragis but not with our own Feds. Possible I suppose. That would have HUGE ramifications, bigger IMO than a ruined sting. Remember Freeh went to Germany a year or two earlier to set up cooperation between German intelligence (which Andi is) and the FBI.

Andi the German is a piece of it that I haven't thought about lately so I'm glad you brought that up. Sometimes I tend to forget about him. Thanks for your input in #62. I always enjoy reading what you have to say about things.

lawdog, you can read more about Teg Security at this link. Wallaby and rdavis84 did some amazing research on these threads: Firm Ran Security at OK Bomb Site - Part 6