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Why profiling Arab men makes sense in a world where terrorism is synonomous w/ Islam
Jewishworldnews.com | June 13, 2002 | Walter Williams

Posted on 06/21/2002 1:29:54 PM PDT by 1bigdictator

We need to profile

http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com | Imagine you're a munitions manufacturer, and you manufacture hand grenades for the military. Your contract requires a guarantee that 99 percent of the hand grenades delivered are not duds. What do you do?

If you assumed there was an equal probability of every hand grenade being a dud, you might test them by pulling the pin and tossing each hand grenade to see if, in fact, it explodes. You'd be certain about whether the hand grenades were duds or not, but you'd have none to deliver. A more intelligent method would be to test a representative sample to make inferences about the population.

You say, "Williams, what's the point?" Let's look at our Department of Transportation (DOT) and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) mandates for air security. By their actions, they assign an equal probability that anyone who boards a plane is a potential hijacker, and that includes pilots and crew, the aged and infirm, and children and babies. That's why they do body scans, make people take off their shoes and confiscate scissors, fingernail files, cork screws and other items on their "prohibited" list. This vision of anti-terrorism is both stupid and costly. Are there more effective means? How about taking a test?

At the 1972 Olympics, who kidnapped and murdered Jewish athletes? In 1979, the U.S. Embassy in Iran was taken over by whom? During the 1980s, who kidnapped Americans in Lebanon? In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by whom? In 1985, the Achille Lauro cruise ship was hijacked and a 70-year-old, wheelchair-bound American was murdered by whom? In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked in Athens and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by whom? In 1988, Pan Am flight 103 was bombed by whom? In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by whom? In 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by whom? On Sept. 11, four airliners were hijacked and used to destroy the World Trade Center and the Pentagon; who were the murderers? U.S. military action in Afghanistan is against whom? Earlier this year, Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by whom?

We all know the answers to these questions. The perpetrators were not the people who are routinely harassed and inconvenienced at our airports: businessmen, women, children and babies. The terrorist murderers have been Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40. That fact suggests that there are gains from ethnic profiling -- namely, having security personnel on hand who'd be able to pull aside passengers who closely fit the profile of terrorists.

Why isn't this done? There are several possibilities. First, the DOT and FAA don't want to risk offending the politically correct among us. Second, it doesn't cost them anything to harass and inconvenience millions of passengers. The third, which should never be excluded, is that the people who run the DOT and FAA are just plain stupid.

The latter is surely the case in terms of their decree not permitting pilots to carry weapons. For the most part, commercial airline pilots are ex-military men trained in weapon use. If randomly assigned sky marshals carry weapons, there is absolutely no reason, at least an intelligent one, why pilots should not be permitted, as well.

But here's something for us all to think about: If the time ever comes when a commercial airliner is hijacked and headed toward a nuclear power plant, a bridge or a dam, and F-14s have to be scrambled to shoot it down, will the DOT and FAA bureaucrats be able to assure us that armed pilots would not have made a difference?


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1 posted on 06/21/2002 1:29:57 PM PDT by 1bigdictator
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2 posted on 06/21/2002 1:32:26 PM PDT by RichardsSweetRose
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To: 1bigdictator
will the DOT and FAA bureaucrats be able to assure us that armed pilots would not have made a difference?

Of course not BUT!, to arm the pilots might actually lead people to believe that they are somehow responsible for their own safety and that guns might not be the "evil" things that the left portrays them to be....

3 posted on 06/21/2002 1:39:59 PM PDT by KentuckyWoman
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To: KentuckyWoman
"An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure". I would feel more safe if the pilots were armed, however, this measure is only impactful once the Arab-terrorist has boarded the plane and commenced the hijacking. Why not screen the Arab males who comprise 100% of the international terrorist population. Liberals fear it may embarass muslims, yet muslims didn't seem to be embarassed by Sept. 11, or the daily carnage in Israel.
4 posted on 06/21/2002 1:50:18 PM PDT by 1bigdictator
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To: 1bigdictator
As my uncle pointed out, this is a beautiful clear instruction to the terrorists to start using disguises to look whiter with long uncurly hair. The Michael Jackson cosmetic technique.

Thus, all the paranoids will be screening looking for cartoons of Omar Sharif, while the terrorists will walk aboard looking like models from a Lexus commercial.

I'm sure the bad guys wouldn't be reading American media for ideas, naw, never happen.

Can anybody here can find that news story from Houston about the two college kids, free spirits, who deliberately sauntered around the airport, beards, unkempt hair, no baggage, until Security invited them into questioning? After it was all over, the Security folks did believe the kids who said they were bored between classes, and wanted to hang out somewhere interesting in air conditioning!

No hijacking that day, so all is well! :)

5 posted on 06/21/2002 1:55:54 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: 1bigdictator
Why not screen the Arab males who comprise 100% of the international terrorist population.

Because it would make entirely too much sense to do so. Also, it might hurt the feelings of some Iman of that "peaceful religion". I still have a feeling that the next time we see terrorism in our land that it won't have anything to do with airplanes but will happen in some place that everyone wants to believe is "safe".

6 posted on 06/21/2002 1:59:56 PM PDT by KentuckyWoman
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To: 1bigdictator
WW is, as usual, brilliant. I'd go a step further, however. I would stop issuing visas to ALL people from the states and countries who support, or whose population sympathizes with terrorism. This may iclude countries not on our state dept's list.
7 posted on 06/21/2002 2:08:57 PM PDT by umgud
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To: KirklandJunction
"Pretty flippant Pollyanna... Keep on whistling past the grave yard" Kirk u never did respond... I remember you.

You seem quick to dismiss any idea which can make us safer if it impacts Arabs/Muslims/Middle Easterners. Your story proves the need for profiling; not its lack of effectiveness. Security gaurds are not permitted to target bearded suspicous looking Middle Eastern looking males, so the 2 college kids you refer to were less likely to be questioned because of political correctness taking priority over safety.

Thinking that innocent arab males may be inconvenienced at an airport must make you squirm... but I sort of like the Empire State building in the New York skyline.

8 posted on 06/21/2002 2:13:57 PM PDT by 1bigdictator
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To: 1bigdictator
Why profiling Arab men makes sense in a world where terrorism is synonomous w/ Islam

I believe the headline answers itself.

9 posted on 06/21/2002 2:22:18 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: KentuckyWoman
Why not screen the Arab males who comprise 100% of the international terrorist population.

Really? I think our friends in Britain may disagree--as they label the IRA as a terrorist group. Our new allies in Russia might disagree, too--as they label rebels in Chechnya as terrorists. The list goes on and on--it's a subjective equation, and the answer isn't to heighten security for Slavs, the Irish, and Muslim-looking people.

Frankly, the government shouldn't have any sort of authority to search people at the airport, no matter WHAT they look like. On a so-called "conservative" forum, I'm amazed people in broach the subject.

10 posted on 06/21/2002 2:27:59 PM PDT by Viva Le Dissention
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To: 1bigdictator
"Kirk u never did respond!"
Sorry, this is a free access computer in a business office, so who knows who was Kirk?

Innocent arab males don't make me squirm.

Telling the bad guys what we're looking for does make me squirm. They're not that stupid all the time.

You keep looking for terrorists dressed in burnoose, riding a camel, and the bad guys are gonna' get past you faster than Jon Benet's murderer has eluded the cops.

11 posted on 06/21/2002 2:28:43 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: Viva Le Dissention
Excellent post and welcome.

Here you will (sadly) find what some refer to as Right Wing Socialists, i.e. all will be good if we give Big Brother tools to tromp our dislikables d'jour.

Thus, the infamous "nuke Mecca", and this morning apparently a former marine, now INS Law Enforcement on US/Mexico border, posted his cartoon of a man urinating on the Mexican flag!

Freedom of speech.

12 posted on 06/21/2002 2:34:36 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: 1bigdictator
The perpetrators were not the people who are routinely harassed and inconvenienced at our airports: businessmen, women, children and babies. The terrorist murderers have been Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

As my kids would say, "DUH!"

Profile or die - decisions, decisions!

13 posted on 06/21/2002 2:40:34 PM PDT by mil-vet
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To: umgud
Your idea is great, but the pro-islamist propaganda machine whould let the rhetoric fly on a CNN exclusive. Folk like Kirkland Junction would be sounding the alarms of fascist type discrimination against arabs while alluding to the Japanese interment camps of WWII. Liberals love to consume red herrings like these type of false analogies.
14 posted on 06/21/2002 2:45:20 PM PDT by 1bigdictator
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To: 1bigdictator
So what if they are profiled,JUST WHO IS IT THAT'S GOING TO STOP YOU?
15 posted on 06/21/2002 2:46:27 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: KirklandJunction
Funny, El Al, Israel's state airline has not had a single palistinian terrorist successfully attack one of thier airliners since they started profiling thier passengers. And it was not for a lack of effort on the Pali-terrorists part-- as many have been caught prior to boarding the plane. My guess is the Palis aren't the stereotypical camel riding arab you refer to, yet even w/ the terrorists best efforts they have not suceeded, even in disguise.
16 posted on 06/21/2002 2:51:11 PM PDT by 1bigdictator
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To: 1bigdictator
I hope this doesn't come across as stupid but, couldn't the World War II policy of "Loose Lips Sink Ships" be considered profiling, in a sense? After all, if there were German spies, or sympathizers, about, would it not be prudent to keep potentially sensitive information under wraps? After all, let's face the facts; America is predominantly white, so it would be pretty hard to profile for German spies who would be under an assumed identity. I'm sure that anyone who had a thick German accent would have been viewed with suspicion. I don't know of anyone who would have complained at being questioned if they, say, looked like Timothy McVeigh, at the time of OKC bombing. Like I said, I hope this didn't sound stupid. It may not have come across as I intended, so please, no flames.
17 posted on 06/21/2002 2:55:38 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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18 posted on 06/21/2002 2:58:52 PM PDT by mhking
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To: 1bigdictator
We will see more terror incidents in the USA. Will they be comitted by someone issued a visa since 911? Let a few recent visa holders from the mid-east blow up a few buses or shopping malls, and PC will go right out the window. I want to throw out PC first. My gov't wants to keep admitting these people.
19 posted on 06/21/2002 3:07:19 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Paul Atreides
I'd tend to disagree, Paul; I just don't feel it would be profiling.

It's interesting: Let's say that police in Washington D.C. decided to get tough on drugs. The police there claimed that most drug dealers are black people (I don't know if this is true or not--but let's say.), and so everyday on the way to work at GWU, Mr. Williams was stopped by police, and his car and person searched for drugs--simply because he was black. This was the police's effort to get tough on drugs. I think Mr. Williams would be outraged, and rightfully so.

This situation is analogous. Substitute "arab-looking" for "black" and "terrorist" for "drug dealer" and there you have it. Profiling certainly isn't an answer to anything, but I think rather, the *easy* solution that too many people are willing to take.

20 posted on 06/21/2002 3:10:07 PM PDT by Viva Le Dissention
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