I find this argument laughable coming from the slave holding states.
Hi Walt, looks like these idiots haven't given up yet!
The southern states were right about self-determination and wrong about Blacks. Americans are now up to speed on the idea that Blacks are people, and as a result we can say that they too have lost on self-determination as a result of Union actions.
You mean Maryland, West Virginia, New Jersey, Kentu... Oops, those were Union states. Sorry.
OK, I guess I'm not sure what you find laughable?
The Southern States fought for the right of self-determination in their affairs, slavery was not an issue of great importance at the time of the framing of the Constitution and slavery was legal. However, you seem to conveniently forget that the Founders expressly set up a limited government with ENUMERATED powers, and that Thomas Jefferson said "The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press."
The argument isn't coming from "the slave holding states", Idiot. And anyone on FreeRepublic who wants to disassociate himself from the idiots won't ally himself with FreeRepublic's supreme idiot, WhiskeyPapa.