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If you are of the belief that the Declaration of Independence is not valid as a cornerstone of our principles of American liberty, then you must be saying that the States should have petitioned the Federal Government to leave.

No, I'm saying they should have ammended the Constitution to allow states to leave the Union. If they could not convince their fellow citizens to do this, then they are out of luck. You are trying to ignore the Constitution by wrapping your arguments with the Declaration of Independence. It is rather offensive. Resorting to arms when you have not exhausted every legal means of resolving a conflict of this nature is not responsible. Read the Declaration of Independence more carefully and see how long, and how hard the colonists tried to reconcile with Britian before they declared their independence. Look at the long line of abuses suffered, and tell me how this compares with what the South was suffering. As for putting down the South's insurrection, that is explicitly within the power of the federal government, as listed in the Constitution, which all the Southern states accepted when they joined the Union.

Your supposition that my quotes support your points is Horse Sh*t! I am pointing out how the Founders view State's and ultimately individual rights. State's had control of promoting the general prosperity and welfare.

Your position would've worked out well for Stalin. No wonder you are having difficulties with limited government. You are used to a Socialistic type of system. Hmmmmmmmmm ... you must be from Californicate.

"It is rather offensive."

And you are rather prissy - & that is especially ridiculous in a man.

I'll bet your idea of 'conflict resolution' had you on the receiving end quite a bit as a kid, right? I wonder who decides when the train of abuses is long enough? Left up to people like you, it becomes infinite. And there were plenty like you around AFTER the declaration - they were called tories.

'Insurrection.' More slop. The states were not subordinate to DC - & would not have joined the compact if that had been the price of entrance. The south did not march on DC, did not try to wrest control of the DC govt - no insurrection (again, consult a dictionary...).

I am beginning to think a man that can continue to cling as you do,a man who can conclude that the men who refused to bend over for the british empire would then turn around & bend over for despotism & tyranny out of DC, is a man for whom being bent over is normal posture.