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Attorney fires gun in office
Hickory Daily Record ^ | June 19, 2002 | KIM GILLILAND

Posted on 06/20/2002 11:07:13 AM PDT by Henrietta

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To: Travis McGee
My plan is to kneel with one knee in the gut of the malefactor while checking the action of the firearm for dustballs. If knowingly going into a firefight, the pistol won't be in the pocket to begin with but strapped on, and then it wouldn't be a pistol in my hands anyway but something a little more results oriented.
61 posted on 06/20/2002 2:11:46 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: lavaroise
First punch landed nicely wins 80% of all adult streetfights I've been in or witnessed.
62 posted on 06/20/2002 2:14:54 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: RightWhale
That's nice if you get to plan when you will be attacked.

In reality, the first sign of a problem is often a knife stuck in your side or a bat from behind which breaks one of your arms.

What then?

63 posted on 06/20/2002 2:17:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: harpseal
Rule one firearms do not go off all by themselves. I am willing to bet my house and my boat that I can lay a firearm on a kitchen table with a round in the chamber and it will not go off unless someone touches it. Any takers at even money? It would be nice to pay off my mortgage and get a long range fast trawler.

I recently investigated a "shots fired" call at a residence in my jurisdiction. In this case, the elderly gentleman had an older (1932 I think) Colt .32 semi-auto pistol that he had carried for years (he is a local merchant and has a permit). He claimed to have removed the gun, in its "inside the pants holster" and laid it on his kitchen table, where it suddenly just discharged hitting his kitchen wall. No injuries, just a shook up citizen. I took the weapon to our alleged state firearms "expert" where he examined the gun and declared the citizen a liar and told me that I should press charges. My Chief and I agreed that it was most unlikely that this particular citizen would do anything so stupid, so, the Chief and I did a little test at our range. I repeated the claims of the citizen, and lo and behold, after about a minute of just sitting on the shooting bench, the damn thing just went off. I took it to a local gunsmith, who, after carefully examining the action determined that there was a notch worn on the striker and when laid down at a certain angle (such as when still in the holster with the belt clip down), gravity pulled the retainer into the notch and caused a discharge. (He went into great detail, about worn parts etc.) When I told the state "expert" about it he literally laughed in my face and declared that the gunsmith was a liar too! Needless to say, the citizen was more than slightly unnerved about his "carry" weapon discharging of its own volition. The Chief and I have lost all faith in our alleged expert, and the citizen has since retired the little pocket piece to his collection and now carries a nice little Taurus Millinium PT-145 in .45ACP.

Just remember, KAKA DOES occur!

Semper Fi

64 posted on 06/20/2002 2:18:47 PM PDT by Trident/Delta
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To: TC Rider
Maybe it's paranoid, but I don't want to take the chance that I might have already been winged when I present my weapon. I can rack it with one hand if I have to, but it takes me more than a second. Most gunfights are over in 3 seconds, I'm not willing to give the BG that much of an edge.

Then carry a ruger or a taurus doulbe action revolver with transfer bar safety . Ready to fire at ANY time.

65 posted on 06/20/2002 2:18:51 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks for clarifying. I believe I have read where DC, Maryland, and Massachusetts (the usual suspects) are openly flaunting this provision.

I also remember when BB was passed that all of the lawmakers and collaborators insisted that it was only to keep criminals and folks fresh out of psycho wards from instantly buying a gun and they were most adamant that it was not for a database.

This aspect of BB is perhaps the most dangerous for the future.

Regards.
66 posted on 06/20/2002 2:19:15 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Redcloak
Reid said the handgun had a mechanical malfunction with the ejector slide.

Broken ejector slides do not cause a gun to "accidentally" fire. The only thing that causes a gun to fire is a person with his or her finger on the trigger.

67 posted on 06/20/2002 2:20:37 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: Politically Correct
Every attorney is an officer of the court. So how come some officers of the court, to use Orwell's terminology, are more equal than others?
68 posted on 06/20/2002 2:22:24 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: *bang_list
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69 posted on 06/20/2002 2:22:50 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: Sir Gawain
All of my pistols are DA only pistols with no external safety except your finger off of the trigger. Works for me. The triggers are so heavy, there's no way you could accidentally pull it.
70 posted on 06/20/2002 2:25:27 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: Henrietta
Mine just has the stock 5 lb spring. That's not a very heavy pull.
71 posted on 06/20/2002 2:33:24 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Henrietta
Thank god it was not done at 33,000 feet! Bet the DA would not hesistate if it was you or I....
72 posted on 06/20/2002 2:37:07 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: Travis McGee
In reality, the first sign of a problem is often a knife stuck in your side or a bat from behind which breaks one of your arms.

Or maybe it will be your head rolling down the street and some dude in a robe wiping off his damascus steel scimitar. There's only so much a man can plan for when he just needs to go to the post office sometime today and then mow his lawn.

73 posted on 06/20/2002 2:37:35 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Henrietta
Evidence that the GUN, not the owner is at fault, based on the language of this story:

Parker’s .380 semi-automatic accidentally discharged

Note that the gun is the subject of this sentence, when in reality, Mr. Parker caused the discharge.

The bullet put a hole in a window...

Note that Mr. Parker put a hole in the wondow, but the story makes the bullet the subject.

“The only thing I would consider charging Parker with is reckless endangerment, but the bullet traveled out the window, not into the building iteslf,” said Flaherty.

If it had been an ordinary citizen, it would have been: "the perpetrator shot out the window."

Reid said the handgun had a mechanical malfunction with the ejector slide.

Bad Handgun!

Sheriff David Huffman said Parker turned the handgun over to authorities and asked that it be destroyed by the State Bureau of Investigation.

After all, if the handgun were an ordinary mechanical tool, but Parker were a dangerous fool, we'd destroy him, not the gun, right? Punish the gun for its wrongdoing. Put down that mad dog?

74 posted on 06/20/2002 2:37:44 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: RightWhale
Or maybe it will be your head rolling down the street and some dude in a robe wiping off his damascus steel scimitar.

Ya got me there pardner! What a mental image! ROTFLMAO! You win! ;^)

75 posted on 06/20/2002 2:42:33 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: TigerTale
I don't think your information regarding NRA instruction is entirely accurate. Monday night I attended a handgun proficiency course at the local shooting range. The instructor was NRA certified, and I asked him this very question. He gave me the same answer you just gave above. Perhaps he was only speaking for himself, but he didn't say that the NRA position was any different.

It's possible they've revised the instructor curriculum. In the NRA Basic Pistol course I took, they taught hammer down on empty chamber for revolvers. I'd have to check if their companion textbook says the same thing. I figured they just kept the old method so that people who are not savy about such things as transfer bars wouldn't go putting a live round under the hammer of Grand-Dads Colt.

76 posted on 06/20/2002 2:46:44 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Trident/Delta
took it to a local gunsmith, who, after carefully examining the action determined that there was a notch worn on the striker and when laid down at a certain angle (such as when still in the holster with the belt clip down), gravity pulled the retainer into the notch and caused a discharge.

An excellent object lesson about maintaining firearms in good working order, especially with older guns that don't have the kind of redundant safeties that modern handguns usually have.

77 posted on 06/20/2002 2:50:26 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
Five rounds is enough. If it takes more, the only thing needed in the empty chamber is a roll of $100s to pay for the burial.

Whatever happened to the Western movies?

78 posted on 06/20/2002 3:00:07 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: semaj
To your POST #10: It is not recommended to carry an automatic in full battery as you described. That is with a round chambered, safety in the fire position and the hammer cocked. IMHO this is very unwise as any abrupt jarring or bump can cause the hammer to fall.

Actually, on a 1911, even if you were foolish enough to leave the thumb safety off, the grip safety and half-cock sere (and on newer ones like the Series II Kimbers, the trigger-actuated firing pin block as well) will prevent the sort of discharge you describe. Note: professional driver on closed course. Do not imitate!

79 posted on 06/20/2002 3:02:49 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: RightWhale
Five rounds is enough.

Sure, for one static target. Those five rounds go away very quickly if you've ever been through a shoot house drill engaging multiple targets with recovery of missed shots and a failure-to-stop head-shot or two. Of course, if you're a lot better with a speed loader than I am, the point is moot. :-)

80 posted on 06/20/2002 3:06:43 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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