Liberty Is Overrated--Safety Should Be Our First Concern*

Ever Vigilant ^ | 06-19-2002 | Lee R. Shelton IV

[Jefferson Adams]

I have friends who earned millions last year that didn't pay anything near that rate.

You and your rich friends don't know much about all the hidden and duplicated taxes in everything you buy, do you? Ah well - ignorance is bliss, especially when you have millions...

[Jefferson Adams]

The only dolt would be the one paying over 50% in taxes.

SSSSHHHHHH - go back to sleep.

[Jefferson Adams]

re: post #120 - well done :)

[Jefferson Adams]

Lots of us were!

I still am, for that matter.

Yeah, it cracked me up too, in a kinda sad sorta way as I watched the Let's Rollers agree with it and defend it.

Sigh...

[don-o]

Dang! How in the world could I have forgotten that crucial little bit of information? You have to admit that it made for a more interesting thread, no?

Well, I got it from the get go. The clue was there. But you are correct. It is very interesting, if discouraging.

Discouraging because people tend to knee jerk rather than to absorb and reflect. That may be a characteristic of the cyber world; especially those who have not had much conventional education or read books.

[Jefferson Adams]

There is nothing in this essay that hasn't been previously uttered by post-9/11 "conservatives."

That's the sad part.

[don-o]

Too many "conservatives" have used the very arguments put forth in the essay to justify more government encroachment on our liberties.

YES!!!!

RINO is a familiar acronym around here.

Is there a doubt that the CINO is a greater threat?

[headsonpikes]

"...read books."

You must be a reactionary; citizens only need to know how to shout slogans.

Reading leads to critical thinking and who needs all that negativity?

[Twodees]

Ha! I know what you're doing, Lee. My uncle used to always joke that to keep flies out of your kitchen, put a bucket of $#!+ in the living room. ahaha

[Twodees]

You sound like one of those goobers who thinks his yearly refund from the IRS is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[A CA Guy]

A person suggested the showers were good for the Jews as well, which to me suggested that America would gas their own people as the German Nazi's did the Jews. (When taken in the context of the article above).
I told them that was outrageous thinking and asked did they get that kind of thinking form their mom at home? Did they attempt to gas THEM? Is that where that kind of thinking came from? Where in America today are we going to find people getting gassed like the Jews were? America today can not have that happen.
(I throw back some absurdity to show how absurd their view is.)
We all know there is no chance their MOM would gas them in reality. We also know there is zero chance of this elsewhere in America either. Only a criminal would do that.

Using the words VERY YOUNG is a nice way of saying you cuss too much.

I recently on the topic of drugs and employees elsewhere had stated that employers should not be put at risk and drug testing is reasonable. That if a person felt that was against their principles they should not yak about that, but seek self employment. (Drug dealing not included).

On the topic of drugs with one of the addict warriors I have stated if you are so for the drugs, drug your whole family first as an example and report back what is left of it in a year. I said you would most likely find everybody unemployed and your mom and sister working the streets if they regularly did drugs. That there would be NO family in the end of a year.

These are consistent thoughts I say often when others suggest vices on EVERYONE as normal. I don't believe society should be responsible for the bill that surrounds drug problems, nor the crime. It also isn't cool to get high while you have children at home. If there isn't a sober adult there supervising I think the kids should get removed from the home.
I often use an absurd example in a response to reflect back the absurdity of the thinking presented by some people.

I'd rather argue anyone and just disagree than see anyone have to leave. Accidents can happen as it is, nobody here should try to play it so close as to loose the privilege of posting here.

[A CA Guy]

Refund? I have to pay estimated tax. It is not deducted for me.
I pay what I am supposed to, but you don't have to just throw yourselves to the wolves Twodees. I think it is best to use the laws that best favor you when it comes to your money.
As far as someone being happy about seeing some money back in a refund? Hey, why the heck not? I hope they enjoy spending it as well.

[Jhoffa_]

Liberty Is Overrated--Safety Should Be Our First Concern

Don't agree.. Because without Liberty we can never be safe..

It's a nice line though. Sounds good, get's good marks on the warm and fuzzy scale... Hitler felt the same way when the Reichstag burned.

PS: And anyone who thinks fedgov can make us safe from people willing to give their own lives to take ours should have their head examined. They can't even protect us from Armed Robbers and car stero thieves, you think they can make sure you aren't the victim of a terrorist attack by taking your freedom? Come on.. What a stupid argument.

[A CA Guy]

Hey J A, I take it neither of us would want to give up more of our incomes than we need to, right?

I honestly know of no informed person who earns good money that pays the highest taxes.
I think we should pay what we are suppossed to pay, but we should know what we are allowed to do to reduce what we truely owe legally.

[Pontiac]

Your idea of humor? What is it about Americans being protected from sick Islamist killers bothers you anti-government whiners so much?

A one word answer to your question would be “nothing.”

But we “whiners” can never leave well enough alone.

And let me say we are not “anti-government.” We simply believe that the Constitution defines the government and when the government exceeds the powers granted it by the Constitutions it becomes despotic and must be reigned in or abolished.

As is stated in other posted on this thread the government has all of the Constitutionally granted powers necessary to deal with the terrorist threat. The government however declines to use those powers because it is unwilling to suffer the political risk involved in using those powers.

If Mr. Bush were serious about his oath to the defend the Constitution and uphold the laws of the United States he would be using a readily available profile of the terrorist to stop the terrorist within our boarders and stop new terrorist for entering our country. Further he would use his powers as head of the Executive branch to execute foreign policy and cute off relations with those who support terrorist. Then we could wage war on the terrorist directly instead of the halfhearted measures currently in place.

[steve50]

If you come across Cecil give me a ping to his thread. The man is a legend

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Using the words VERY YOUNG is a nice way of saying you cuss too much.

If I “cussed” even once on this thread, you might have a point. But I didn’t and you don’t.

I said you would most likely find everybody unemployed and your mom and sister working the streets if they regularly did drugs.

Nice revisionist history, but if I recall correctly, your post was more along the lines of “Are you still pimping your mother and your sister?” Of course, I can’t prove that, since the inflammatory post was deleted. If you’re looking for somebody who crosses the line on this forum, check the mirror.

I'd rather argue anyone and just disagree than see anyone have to leave. Accidents can happen as it is, nobody here should try to play it so close as to loose the privilege of posting here.

When you start a forum, and have the power to revoke posting priveleges, I’ll worry about your asinine opinion. As it is, you don’t, so your silly threats ring hollow.

I called you a dope. I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em. Ban me.

[steve50]

Knowledge is power.
Judging from your posts, that California power crisis is much worse than I thought.

ROFLMFAO, I can't take much more of this

[A CA Guy]

If you mean how a Nike shoe starts off at 50 cents and ends up as $60 to you and I you have a good point.
The retailer usually gets at least a 100% mark up. So the shoe gets to be worth $30 before the 50 cent shoes reach the store.
Tariffs, transportation fees (much of which pay foreign lands) bring up the cost.
Yet again, our salaries are also inflated to relate to the higher priced products.
If you look into history of let's say the 40s, a home might cost $3000 and the yearly wage might have only been $1500.

So some of the high prices are reflective of our inflated high pay.

Regarding the wealthy and those worth millions. The ones I know were self-made in one generation. A ditch digger that ended owning a engineering company that profits $5,000,000 a year to the owner as an example.
They all are nice people who give a great deal to charity and have middle class values.
They were bigger risk takers that never gave up and history of such people states that all the wealth transferred to the children will be gone for the great grand children.

In other words, we will get the vast majority of our future wealthy people from other new hard working people that started out with nothing JA! Few remember that fact about our country. We live in a great country.

[Taxman]

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