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To: monday
God is a libertarian.

To the extent you are suggesting there is no divine favor or allowance for secular government that is not libertarian, your assertion is absolute hogwash.

Jesus Christ taught that men live under the authority of God AND secular government. He commanded that Christians give each sovereign its due. Jesus Christ himself was extremely careful to obey Roman law and to subject himself to Roman authority--and Rome was NOT a libertarian form of government. He was accused of resisting Roman authority, and the Roman magistrate--Pilate--found him not merely not-guilty, but innocent.

Jesus Christ's life was traded for the life of Barabbas. Barabbas was a libertarian. The rabble chose a secular libertarian over Jesus Christ. About thirty years later they were annihilated by Roman forces as a consequence. Not just the libertarian rabble were annihilated, the whole people suffered grievously.

Don't try to fob off secular libertarianism as God's favored form of goverment. Secular libertarianism can only work where the greater part of the people are moral, religious, and self-disciplined. When the people lack those characteristics, secular libertarianism is a recipe for anarchy and disaster. That God allows people to make stupid decisions does not mean He exalts and rewards stupid decisions in either the spiritual OR secular sphere.

35 posted on 06/19/2002 11:50:23 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
Barabbas was a libertarian.

Chapter and verse?

36 posted on 06/19/2002 11:55:08 AM PDT by Lamont Cranston
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To: Kevin Curry
"To the extent you are suggesting there is no divine favor or allowance for secular government that is not libertarian, your assertion is absolute hogwash."

I made no such assertion. I was simply pointing out the differences between Gov't and God.

"Don't try to fob off secular libertarianism as God's favored form of goverment. "

I have no idea what type Gov't, God prefers. Do you?

"That God allows people to make stupid decisions does not mean He exalts and rewards stupid decisions in either the spiritual OR secular sphere. "

I didn't say that either. Actually I said that if one misbehaves, (makes stupid decisions) one can expect to pay the consequences. The idea that God exalts or rewards stupid decisions is absurd. Where did that come from?

40 posted on 06/19/2002 12:17:18 PM PDT by monday
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To: Kevin Curry
That God allows people to make stupid decisions does not mean He exalts and rewards stupid decisions in either the spiritual OR secular sphere.

Yet, when the government, under the fallacious pretense of trying to prevent people from making stupid decisions, "exalts and rewards" them for doing so, it is usurping the role of God and negating the role of nature (human and otherwise) in God's plan (in my opinion, of course).

47 posted on 06/19/2002 12:49:54 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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