Bar owners may get jail time for allowing smoking

The Record.com ^ | June 18, 2002 | JEFF OUTHIT

[Squawk 8888]

Publicize the names of convicted owners in reports to council, as is done with food-safety violations.

I kinda like that idea- that way I'll know which bars to patronize.

[Great Dane]

Isn't it wild, they have pulled that stunt on more than one occation, thing got so nasty, the enforcers were afraid to go into an establishment without police escort.

Have a friend who told me he gets warned before a raid.... the warning comes from the cops. :-}

[Chu Gary]

"I just think that tobacco smoking is going to go the way of poodle skirts. But smokers are good and decent folks and I would like to see the transition from smoking be as gentle and as peaceful as possible."

On your site, Ned, you say you love freedom but you also apparently love being naive - smoking isn't going to go away in your lifetime even if the libernazi's try to legisilate it out of existence. Remember the Volstead Act and its success with liquor.

[Chu Gary]

"I don't think that the Government can effectively stop people from smoking. I just think that it's going to be harder for the tobacco industry to get new recruits in the future. I really don't know how I would go about trying to talk a nonsmoker into becoming a smoker. Seems like a tough sell to me."

Ned, have you ever heard of "free will?" Do you have a problem with that term? It's a basic part of another word which is spelled with an "f" and a "r", a couple of "e's" followed by what many liberals are called "dom."

[monkeyshine]

"You don't go to jail for beating people up in the park any more, so I don't know why you should go to jail for not enforcing the smoking bylaw?"

ROFL. The left doesn't care if you get beat up. They just want to force their social order upon you.

[Just another Joe]

as an adult no one has the right to tell you where ,when ,what, why or why not you can smoke. It's your choice, not theirs.

I'm assuming you mean no branch of any government.
A property owner SHOULD be able to tell you where ,when ,what, why or why not you can smoke on their property.

[bloodmeridian]

I dedicated the cigar I puffed last night on my deck to the most stubborn of those barowners.

[PoppingSmoke]

Yes quiting smoking is a real pain, but if thats what one wishes to do then it's up to that person to make the decision, not government. We agree on that.

[ned]

Ned, have you ever heard of "free will?" Do you have a problem with that term? It's a basic part of another word which is spelled with an "f" and a "r", a couple of "e's" followed by what many liberals are called "dom."

As I've said, I think that tobacco smoking is doomed. Any pleasure for the smoker is so marginal in comparison with the costs to the smoker that I just don't think it will continue to be a viable product. And as I've also said, I join you in your opposition to heavy-handed Government efforts to discourage adults from smoking.

As regards your comments concerning any association between cigarette smoking and "free will"/freedom, I think it's probably best to let adult cigarette smokers themselves draw their own conclusions about how addiction to a substance might affect "free will." I just know that most smokers that I have known have described the addiction to me in terms of a sense of dependence rather than a sense of freedom.

[PoppingSmoke]

Nice web site, pretty gal too....

[3catsanadog]

I certainly hope that the states that still allow smoking in bars and restaurants are watching this and when this type of legislation starts waving in the wind, they will loudly speak up against it, along with us smokers. This needs to stop.

What's the next target - private residences with children wouldn't surprise me.

[Squawk 8888]

What's the next target - private residences with children wouldn't surprise me.

They antis have been lobbying for a ban on in-home smoking for at least a couple of years. I have even heard it proposed, in all apparent seriousness, that the state should remove children from the homes of smokers.