Police now say abductor of 14-year-old Utah girl didn't know he was watched by her sister

AP | June 18, 2002 | RICH VOSEPKA

[Illbay]

U.G. don't even bother with this type. They only want to argue and really don't care what the facts are. The type is all to prevalent on FR. Their agenda is everything to them, and facts only cloud the issue.

[Utah Girl]

Yes, you're right. I shouldn't have replied, and will sit on my hands in the future.

[PoisedWoman]

Absolutely demure pajamas. Photo from elizabethsmart.com

[Carolina]

I just checked the website with all the new photos of her. The poor-heartbroken parents. I can only imagine the agony that they are suffering.

[Agamemnon]

You are a most amusing venom ejaculator. Given the thin-skin you have exhibited on this and other threads regarding the disappearance of this girl, one might suspect that you may personally have something to hide.... You are one seriously and tightly wound raw nerve... merely indicative of the fact that you have chosen to project many of these speculations upon yourself.

You fundamentally do both yourself and your arguments a disservice in that such hyperventialtions actually have the effect of telling readers more about you than you'd probably like for any of us to know.

[Agamemnon]

Yes, there are polygamists in Utah, and they do marry young girls (which makes my skin crawl), but they are NOT associated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Marrying a young girl of legal age is not a crime. Marrying more than one of them in our society, however, is. Hence, one of the original reasons for the delay in entry to statehood.

I have personally known a number of FORMER Mormons who have been quite candid about the facts which are very much at odds with your statement in the church's defense.

Polygamy is only one aspect of Mormonism. Extended in-bred clans and intermarriage are other well-known aspects. If read carefully one will see that polygamy is not the major point of my last post, nor is it the substance of my speculation.

The in-bred clan aspect, on the other hand, is my speculation together with a ruling alpha-male type of clan member calling the shots with more authority than the parents themselves can exert over the fate/future of their own daughter. This could be yet another aspect of the pain the Smarts openly express but are at a complete loss to discuss, because society at large would never fully comprehend the situation.

[JustPiper]

What does this family know that they're not telling the cops

The parents today in there many TV interviews seemed very self-assured she is alive, and it is exactly like 'knowing'

They have probably known all along who took her and felt sure she would not be harmed, why?

I know prayer is strength but there is more than prayer here.

[JustPiper]

Hi UG! I heard today MK went to tell her folx and got spooked because she saw him in another part of the house, two sightings, one after he left the bedroom.

[Utah Girl]

Thanks for the information. I just watched a whole Ashleigh Banfield show on MSNBC, and heard the same information. Mary Katherine is one brave little girl. And after I heard that the creep threatened Elizabeth's life, my heart sank.

[stlnative]

Yes it is called being strong for your other children , what good would these parents be to their other children if they were falling apart and loosing it. They have a strong faith in god, they have a another daughter that saw the perp take her sister, they have to be exspecially strong for the benefit of this other child no matter what the outcome is.

[JustPiper]

how about a new "Husband" taking his new wife

My initial gut feeling was she was 'promised' or something on that line, or maybe just in the mind of that m ale who took her. Felt it was a cousin, then heard she had 80 first cousins, this is one huge family.

[Utah Girl]

I come from a family of ten, there are 46 people in my family, counting brothers, sisters, their spouses and children, and my parents. Go up one generation to my dad's family, and the number jumps to 227 (at last count.) So that big of a family is not that unusual here in Utah.

[JustPiper]

I wonder how she saw hair on his arms

Mark Klass had the best point on the hairy arms. He said this tells him the guy wasn't wearing gloves, thus not hiding fingerprints. Therefore they know who it is due to prints or he is someone who had no fear because he's left his prints in the home due to having been in the home before.

[JustPiper]

I come from a family of ten

Me too, many down the line, stemming from this. And from it a cousin and a brother who were molesters within in our family. An abusive brother and on and on, so we all have skeletons UG, wouldn't the law of average back this up, the odds of more people, better the chance its someone who knew her? Maybe its wishful thinking, because then she could conceivably be returned. But I don't think it odd to suspect a family member? I find out more and more about my parents and siblings I wish I had not.

[Utah Girl]

Sure, it is a possibility. No family is perfect, mine certainly isn't. At a press conference yesterday, one of the uncles said that the family didn't believe it was a family member, nor a psychopathic stranger, but perhaps someone who knew the family distantly, and fixated on Elizabeth. The police have confirmed that it appears that someone was watching/casing the home (no more details than that.) Very sad case. I'm still praying for her, but...

[cherry]

you're right of course....the bigger the pool the more likely that some crazies exist

I hope you are right actually about the promised marriage thing..becasue at least that means she is alive..

PLease, Dear God, give us one child back as a sign...

[Blowtorch]

Extended in-bred clans and intermarriage are other well-known aspects.

The in-bred clan aspect, on the other hand, is my speculation together with a ruling alpha-male type of clan member calling the shots with more authority than the parents themselves can exert over the fate/future of their own daughter.

These statements are utterly false, and if they had a shred of truth, I'd like to see some real facts backing them up. Please show me some current, documented "in-bred" cases that are so "well known."

Your "well known" aspects should be demonstrated as such, but the truth is, you can't demonstrate this, because it simply isn't the case. Try and come up with something concrete. Something "well known" in numbers as large as "clans" shouldn't be too hard to find.

Perhaps you may come up with a few isolated cases that happpened years and years ago, but put your money where your mouth is and support your words with facts.

Thanks for playing.

[Vinomori]

bump

[PoisedWoman]

tells him the guy wasn't wearing gloves, thus not hiding fingerprints. Therefore they know who it is due to prints or he is someone who had no fear because he's left his prints in the home

Thanks for making this excellent point. I've believed for a long time that the police/family know exactly who took Liz but don't know where she/they are and have no clue whether this guy might kill her. But I do think that all will be revealed soon. Hope Liz still lives and breathes!

[Agamemnon]

As it is true that lineages and family histories are of such vast importance to LDS members as a matter of your religious practice...

And that such lineages are freely searched and published upon request of an interested party such as youself who might be interested in learning of his own in-bred family tree...

I'll leave it to you to troll through the massive family registries the LDS has collected over the years to obtain the additional proof for my statements which you seek.

I am content with the reports I received from FORMER Mormons whose credibility in speaking on these matters in particular is without equal.