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Missile deal to boost Beijing's naval prowess
Taipei Times ^ | 6/18/02 | Brian Hsu

Posted on 06/18/2002 7:04:32 AM PDT by Enemy Of The State

Missile deal to boost Beijing's naval prowess

RUSSIAN CONNECTION: A military official in Taiwan said Moscow's deal for the sale of anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles is more a threat to the US than Taiwan
By Brian Hsu
STAFF REPORTER

Russia has agreed to sell China two powerful missile systems, including a supersonic anti-ship missile with a range of 300km, for use on two new Sovremenny-class destroyers it will acquire from Moscow, defense sources said yesterday.

The anti-ship missile, the SS-N-26 Yakhont, is much more powerful than the SS-N-22 Sunburn missile in service on two Sovremenny-class destroyers already in the Chinese navy.

The other missile that China will buy from Russia as part of the new arms deal is the SA-N-17 Grizzly anti-aircraft missile, which is an upgraded version of the SA-N-7 Gadfly missile.

"We tend to think the new missile system is aimed at attacking the US navy. But if they want to use the weapon against us, we have already developed a tactic to deal with the threat."
An unidentified naval general

The two Sovremenny-class destroyers already operational in the Chinese navy, called Hanzhou and Fuzhou, now count on the SA-N-7 as their main air-defense weapon.

The two destroyers of the same class that China is to get from Russia are expected to become a much bigger threat to the Taiwan navy with the deployment of SS-N-26 and SA-N-17 missiles.

In response, a naval general said the navy does not believe that China is buying the Yakhont for use against Taiwan.

"We tend to think the new missile system is aimed at attacking the US navy. But if they want to use the weapon against us, we have already developed a tactic to deal with the threat," the general said.

"The tactic, simply speaking, is to stay out of the firing range of the Sovremenny-class destroyers," he said, declining to speak more on the subject.

The tactic referred to was developed by Chief of the General-Staff Admiral Li Chieh (§õ³Ç) during his term as the navy chief.

The tactic, called "the navy's open-seas mobility," was initially developed for the four Kidd-class destroyers that the navy will buy from the US."

To counter the threat from the Sovremenny-class warships, the navy plans to deploy fleets led by the Kidds on seas far from Taiwan, in the vicinity of Guam. The tactic received much criticism from lawmakers on the legislature's Defense Committee when they were briefed during the previous session.

It was criticized by some lawmakers as "unrealistic" and "ridiculous," as they couldn't understand how running away from the enemy would win battles.

In the computerized war simulation of the just-ended Hankuang No. 18 exercise, the consequences of putting the Kidds in harm's way were highlighted, sources said.

In the game, which simulated a war in the Taiwan Strait in 2005, all four Kidd-class destroyers sank under enemy fire after they were forced to engage in battle.

But in the simulation, the Chinese used fighter planes, rather than the Sovremenny-class destroyers, to sink the Kidds.


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To: belmont_mark
Been watching too many movies, have you sir? Yes, I think. In case you haven't noticed, Putin ran against a communist and WON the popular VOTE. Putin is the most pro-democratic thing that happened to Russia maybe ever.

As for the terrorist insult, I won't reply, you're simply wrong. For that matter, I don't know of ANY terrorist attack against US interests Russia predicted. Do you?

61 posted on 06/20/2002 6:28:34 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: belmont_mark
Suffice it to say the U.S. has sold arms to at least 4 nations that it is flying surveillance on, as we speak, planning for future attack.

Can you name one nation Russia has sold arms to and is planning to attack?

Checkmate. You make it too easy, lad.

62 posted on 06/20/2002 6:31:44 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: All
Nope. I never recall the CIA ever lowering a "mole" feet first into a crematory furnace and turning it into a "motivational" film for training new agents. I also do not recall the CIA ever forming an "inner CIA" that called the shots in running the nation. No, the KGB were / are far more similar to the SS than to the CIA...
63 posted on 06/20/2002 1:00:48 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD
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To: mikhailovich
I refer to the bold prognostications of Dr. Tatiyana Korgyina, which, apparently, many a domestic Russian investor followed in the weeks leading up to 9/11. It is also quite curious just how quickly Mr. Putin was on the phone with Bush after the attacks. Almost as if scripted somehow.
64 posted on 06/20/2002 1:04:02 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD
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To: mikhailovich
You have failed to answer the primary question... that of "when?". I submit that Russia continues to either provide, sell, codevelop or service the arms in a number of nations of the Trans-Asian Axis, whereas the US no longer do. I do not dispute that, at one point, during a past and glorious period of containment and roll back, the US were quite successful in setting up "the northern tier" including Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Gary Powers took off on his last flight from Afghanistan. Unfortunately, during the pacifist, naive liberal era from the early Kennedy adminsitration clear through to Reagan's first day in office, the US were losing ground, and each of the above nations fell into the orbits of either the USSR or the PRC (or both). During the Reagan years, the US (the CIA in particular) supplied Stingers and aid to seemingly "anti-Soviet" Islamist forces, but, due to our reliance on pro-PRC (and these days, increasingly neutral-to-pro Moscow) Pakistan, were duped into believing that the Paks were really on our side. Now we know...Musharraf's lies notwithstanding.

Long story short... the nations that we ought to blow away along the southern tier of the Trans-Asian Axis (.... then what, I might ask, constitutes the northern tier of said Axis?...) are now in either the Russian / neo-Soviet orbit, or the PRC one, or both, and, are, to their misfortune, only past but no longer current American allies. Too bad we could not hold on to them, too bad they will pay the price, and, most importantly, too bad Russia and / or the PRC are in bed with them. You are either with us, or ....

65 posted on 06/20/2002 1:20:56 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD
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To: gcruse
Ram-jet, hmmm... I wonder what would happen if it went through a cloud of styrofoam peanuts.
66 posted on 06/20/2002 1:32:48 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
Ram-jet, hmmm... I wonder what would happen if it
went through a cloud of styrofoam peanuts.

How do you think they make Tide soap?

67 posted on 06/20/2002 1:44:36 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: belmont_mark
You have a bonifide point with the question of "when." I'll give you that, but answer this question....tell me some suitable customers for Russian arms. For you see, in the "axis" picture as you so frequently deem it, customers tend to lump together in a naturally occurring division. Most of the caucasian nations of Europe and elsewhere buy from the US. Most Asian and Arab nations buy from Russia or China. Much of it has to do merely with geographics.

I don't believe the picture near so sinister as you paint it. At least not anymore.

Case in point, India flies Russian MiG fighters. Pakistan was sold a batch of F-16's (which fell through as you know). The F-16's were sold in part, as a courtship ritual. Economic and political consequences weighed heavily in that deal, as do most.

Look, arms are arms are arms. The US has made plenty of mistakes. So has Russia. The thing you (and many others) overlook is the economic variable. When the US sells 25 F-16's to Israel, local US communities are guaranteed employment contracts for perhaps years. These same cheerful news conferences happen in other countries too, not just the US.

Afghanistan is a quagmire. In Soviet times, the CIA gave anti-aircraft missiles to what would later become Al-Queda. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. The local tribesmen kept tons of Russian arms left behind. Today, the tribesmen (Northern Alliance) parade Russian arms, side-by-side with their American soldier counterparts, against the very group that the Americans gave arms and training to - Al Queda.

Mister Belmont, it is the man behind the arms, won't you agree?

68 posted on 06/21/2002 6:41:32 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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