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To: The Man
Perhaps the problem is that no one has bothered to present or at least direct me to a logical, rational argument for its validity. Instead I just see "you are a fool" and "all of Creation points to God's existence" or various other logical fallacies. I see arguments appealing to the consequences of there not being a god, I see arguments that use the assumption that Christianity is true as their premise and I see arguments that amount to little more than ridiculing my lack of belief. I've not seen any attempt at a logical argument in favour of Christianity that did not appeal to a logical fallacy. I'm not saying that there are no logical arguments for Christianity -- I'm saying that I've never seen any.
213 posted on 06/19/2002 1:24:00 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
I'm not saying that there are no logical arguments for Christianity -- I'm saying that I've never seen any.

In the final analysis there are no logical arguments because the premise of "I am" which establishes God is just that a premise which cannot be accepted without the holy spirit. Any attempts at it would be no different than explaining color to a person blind from birth.

215 posted on 06/19/2002 1:29:50 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Dimensio
Well, I am assuming that you are familiar with the traditional or more philosophical proofs for the existence of God, since you mentioned the argument from design (which, while logically sound in my opinion, only gets you to a generic God and not a Christian one). But in addition to those, I offer you the following two syllogisms:

MAJOR PREMISE: Only God, if God exists, has the ability to accurately predict the future.

MINOR PREMISE: The future was accurately predicted in the Bible concerning the rise of the Roman Empire, the fate of other political entities, and the events in the life of Jesus Christ centuries before they occurred.

CONCLUSION: God exists.

And another:

MAJOR PREMISE: Only God, if God exists, has the ability to raise human beings from the dead.

MINOR PREMISE: Human beings have been raised from the dead.

CONCLUSION: God exists.

217 posted on 06/19/2002 1:44:57 PM PDT by The Man
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