[Starwind]

I'm compelled to ensure I've been clear.

In no way should porn be let off the hook.

It has been corrosive to women as well as men.

But the battle is not about porn producers deliberately trying to dictate or influence women. Porn producers lie to men (their product consumers) about women's sexuality, not to manipulate women in society, but to manipulate the men to buy the product.

To be effective against this, porn must be seen in its true light, crass manipluation of men's lust, with the adverse and equally damaging side effect of falsifying women's sexual response.

[Lorianne]

Looks like we agree, then. I conceed that porn producers may not intend to set standards, but they do set them nevertheless. As does any media especially one consumed by the number of people who consume porn. It is part of the package.

And I do maintain that they editorialize that using porn is "cool" as a standard of sexual sophisticaton and criticising it is the opposite. This is a pro-active marketing tool.

No one should allow themselves to be bullied or intimidated from excercising their free speech rights, which include open, free and public criticism of media of all kinds.