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To: JMJ333
For openers:

DEPERSONALIZING

"Pornography displaces love with lust."

When? To what degree? What kind of love does it displace? Does pornography always displace all love whenever it's present?

ENSLAVING

"Pornography enslaves by imprisoning people in the material."

What does this sentence mean, exactly?

"A third way in which pornography enslaves is through chemical addiction. When the pornography addict indulges in his habit, the adrenal gland secretes the chemical epinephrine into the blood stream."

So does everything else that produces the chemical reaction we call happiness.

SELF-DESTRUCTIVE

"The depersonalizing and enslaving effects of pornography are inevitably self-destructive. The high rate of suicides among pornography actresses is a graphic indication of this."

Does the high rate of suicides among musicians or authors indicate that music or literature is inevitably self-destructive? Or how about the high rate of suicide among dentists and psychiatrists? Is dentistry or psychiatry inevitably self-destructive?

PREPOSTEROUS

"Preposterous, as its etymology indicates (prae + posterius) means putting before, that which should come after. Trying to remove your socks before you have taken your shoes off, rather than after, is clearly preposterous. Pornography is preposterous because it puts sex before personhood, lust before love, pleasure before conscience."

Exactly how does one measure personhood, love, and conscience?

ALIENATING

"The porn world is not without rules. One cardinal rule is that its performers remain safely alienated from their clients. Because pornography is primarily centered on the despiritualized, depersonalized body, alienation is essential to it."

Porn is fantasy. "Alienation" is not the correct word for the fantasy world pornography creates.

ISOLATING

"Alienation between people leads to the isolation of the self."

This point is so obtuse I have trouble questioning it. Is the author trying to suggest pornograpy somehow violates the "right to privacy" because it . . . I am terribly confused.

REDUCTIONISTIC

"Pornography reduces the person to a thing."

Well here, I agree. But I'd rephrase: pornography is about fantasy. It uses human actors to create an unreal fantasy world. But that could be said of any movie, television show, photograph, book, song, etc. ever produced.

298 posted on 06/18/2002 8:19:51 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost, JMJ333
But I'd rephrase: pornography is about fantasy. It uses human actors to create an unreal fantasy world. But that could be said of any movie, television show, photograph, book, song, etc. ever produced.

Exactly. The problem is that JMJ333 isn't interested in rational debare of the arguments put forth by the article. He merely wants to call those who disagree with him libertines.

301 posted on 06/18/2002 8:38:00 AM PDT by Lamont Cranston
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Thank you. I mean that--I really appreciate the challenge and level of argument presented. =)

DEPERSONALIZING

"Pornography displaces love with lust."

When? To what degree? What kind of love does it displace? Does pornography always displace all love whenever it's present?

It replaces intimate love. It takes away the focus of bestowing love on your partner and refocuses it on self. It degrades women into mere playthings for men. I would say it indeed displaces love whenever present. There is no respect or love only a degredation into animal behavior.

ENSLAVING

"Pornography enslaves by imprisoning people in the material."

What does this sentence mean, exactly?

It means the material is highly addictive. I would say especially to men who are very visual. Your eyes and your ears are the window to your soul. Looking at these images has an enslaving impact just as drugs have an enslaving impact. Those who run internet porn sites might agree [gleefully!]

"A third way in which pornography enslaves is through chemical addiction. When the pornography addict indulges in his habit, the adrenal gland secretes the chemical epinephrine into the blood stream."

So does everything else that produces the chemical reaction we call happiness.

Being enslaved is happiness? I guess to some. But most women who have been in the porn business and are now out disagree with that sentiment. There is no happiness in being degraded--or degrading yourself-- like a dog.

SELF-DESTRUCTIVE

"The depersonalizing and enslaving effects of pornography are inevitably self-destructive. The high rate of suicides among pornography actresses is a graphic indication of this."

Does the high rate of suicides among musicians or authors indicate that music or literature is inevitably self-destructive? Or how about the high rate of suicide among dentists and psychiatrists? Is dentistry or psychiatry inevitably self-destructive?

You'll have to back your statiscics up before I answer. The statistics and references for this article can be found by following the link and scrolling to the bottom.

PREPOSTEROUS

"Preposterous, as its etymology indicates (prae + posterius) means putting before, that which should come after. Trying to remove your socks before you have taken your shoes off, rather than after, is clearly preposterous. Pornography is preposterous because it puts sex before personhood, lust before love, pleasure before conscience."

Exactly how does one measure personhood, love, and conscience?

Well, it certainly isn't by acting base. I would measure it by content of character, morality, and behavior...for a short list.

ALIENATING

"The porn world is not without rules. One cardinal rule is that its performers remain safely alienated from their clients. Because pornography is primarily centered on the despiritualized, depersonalized body, alienation is essential to it."

Porn is fantasy. "Alienation" is not the correct word for the fantasy world pornography creates.

LOL...Don't tell me...I don't want to know....

Actually, it does alienate because one isn't living in reality. Women in the real world are not mere playthings.

ISOLATING

"Alienation between people leads to the isolation of the self."

This point is so obtuse I have trouble questioning it. Is the author trying to suggest pornograpy somehow violates the "right to privacy" because it . . . I am terribly confused.

I think they are referring to becoming despondent. You get absorbed in a porn addiction and any real woman will not have it. You end up alone.

REDUCTIONISTIC

"Pornography reduces the person to a thing." Well here, I agree. But I'd rephrase: pornography is about fantasy. It uses human actors to create an unreal fantasy world. But that could be said of any movie, television show, photograph, book, song, etc. ever produced.

It affects real women, who are reduced to machines. It has an impact on how young men..men in general...view us. We are not some simple to tool to exploit for pleasure. Give us some dignity! Demand better of women. And I would hope women would demand better of themsleves.

I have to run, but I will be here later this afternoon and will answer any reply you leave.

Regards! =)

303 posted on 06/18/2002 8:42:49 AM PDT by JMJ333
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