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To: Stavka2
Hunter gatherers- stone age slash and burn farmers- whatever. There were hardly "millions" of Indians at the time of English settlement. Aztecs? Mayans? Pueblo Indians? The Pueblo Indian civilization that you speak of was dead for half of millenium before the first white man set foot in North America. The Aztec and mayan "civilizations" were primitive barbarians who happened to be able to produce enough maize on very fertile land in order to sustain a brutalized population that built their "cities". Other than some astronomical achievements there is little passed down to us from those "civilizations".

What I take offense too is the term "genocide" when it applies to the American Indians. We have a lot of leftists in this country who constantly talk about it.

Fact of the matter is this. Most Indians died from diseases they had no resistance too brought by the white man who likewise had no concept of "germs" or contagion or resistance at the time. When you hear these numbers of "millions" being killed by the white man what they usually leave out is that it was disease that killed up to 75 percent of the Indian population in both North and South America within 100 years of the first white contact. One Conquistador in particular, Pounce De Lyon- I think was is name- the one who sought "the fountain of youth" and traveled all throughout the North American South East- Florida- Georgia, Albama, Mississippi- Missouri- in the early 1500's- long before english settlement of North America started- is now believed to have inadvertantly spread small pox to such an extent that 50 percent of the Indian population of North America had been cut down by the disease a full three generations before the first Enlish colony was established in North America.

Now we can discuss various atrocities committed by both Whites and Indians against each other. And we can discuss bad Indian policy but to talk about a concerted plan to kill Indians on the part of the US government is just nonsense and a lie. In fact the Us government actively tried to prevent whites from encroaching on Indian lands - Jefferson complained about it all the time- about how the treaties he signed with Indians were meaningless because he couldn't control white settlement on Indian land!

Quite frankly I don't feel one bit bad about what happened to the Indians in this country. They lost- and should get over it. And it is racist to say the Whites should have behaved with more moral superiority to the Indian than they did to us just because we had guns and science.

89 posted on 07/01/2002 4:05:29 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
So genocide ruffles your feathers? Well, I guess the personal accounts of Andrew Jackson from his leadership of the First Siminol War would make Milo look like a saint. Then there was the 5 Nations and the diseased blankets the US government gave out to destroy them...so yes, technically they died of the small pox. Then the Trail of Tears, Little Big Horn, Wounded Knee and countless others. Sooo, guess the cities of every civilization that didn't reach Renisance by your standards were all barbarians....after all, they just mostly raised crops and built cities. You try building aquedocks through the desert highlands of Peru and Chili and then you talk shiete. Considering your "civilized" society just went through the Inquisition, the Bosque Crusades, the 100 Years War, the 30 Years War (which left half of Germany unpopulated), I wonder who else was a bunch of brutilized barbarians.

Quite frankly I don't feel one bit bad about what happened to the Indians in this country. They lost- and should get over it. And it is racist to say the Whites should have behaved with more moral superiority to the Indian than they did to us just because we had guns and science

Yeah, what the hell with all those Christian values and all that the US was built upon...ditch them and destroy the Red Man...he's primitive and we have guns...so screw Christ. Guess the Europeans and then eventually the Americans will just have to be ready to get over it when the Islamics take over...they'll have numbers and you won't...after all, it's moral equivalency silly.

90 posted on 07/01/2002 4:17:07 PM PDT by Stavka2
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