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To: Stavka2
That's pretty easy to say but what if it was you used as cannon fodder against fixed MG42 positions and artillery? The fact of the matter is that Russian casualties in combat were so high becasue of gross stupidity and an utter lack of regard for the lives of the ordinary foot soldier. The germans can't be blamed for 8 million combat deaths of the Red Army. And to make matters worse - this disregard did not stop even on the assault on Berlin at the end of the war. 300,000 Russians died taking Berlin in one of the most poorly executed and haphazard assaults ever. To put this into proper context the Americans lost about 350,000 total in the whole war and that was fighting two fronts.

At the end of the war Russia was exhausted. She had lost 20 million people and large swaths of her country were in ruins. Let's not forget that the powerful Russian military was still fighting pitched battles with tank and aircraft in the Ukraine against Ukranian rebels until 1949! America could have easily wiped out Russia. You forget that the King Sherman was introduced February of 1945 and it was an equal to the King Tiger and was under mass production. Without American supply of food, trucks, jeeps, spare parts, clothes, - how long would Russia have lasted against an American, British, and Free German assault? What kind of "partisan" activity would there have been in Russia under benevelont American occupation? An occupation that broke up the collectives and restored land ownership and private farming? Even under German occupation a million Russians either served as Hiwis auxillaries in the Wermacht or in Vlasovs free Russian army! Do you have idea as to the amount of supply the American Amry possessed at the end of WWII?

And Russia suffered a famine in 46 as well! And I won't even mention the A-Bomb factor.

57 posted on 06/26/2002 4:01:26 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
Welcome back to reality. First of all, British, French and Free German? Yeah...that's a load. Lets see, the British and French wanted peace, no matter what...the Germans were busy starving with most of the male population killed or in camps....while their cities were nothing more then rubble. As for Berlin, yes it was hurried, Stalin's orders. Yeah it sucked, yes it was a hard battle with large casualties, exactly the reason the US was afraid to launch it itself...allowing the Soviets the honor....fear of casualties. Yes 8 million Russian soldiers died, and so did some 6.5 million Germans.

The King Sherman? The Sherman tank was the worst main battle tank of the war. It was called the flaming coffin since it had a gasoline engine that caught fire really quickly. Unpowered gun and thin armor. Yup, what a hoot. That's why they were burning so often in Korea when facing T34/85s. And those were Soviet medium tanks. Remember the Stalin III? Probably not, the Wehremacht sure did though.

As for openning a second front, unless you actually consider Africa a second front...more like a joke for a front. Normandy wasn't openned for 3 years...quite a bit of time.

62 posted on 06/26/2002 4:53:18 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Burkeman1
Benevelant occupation...you might discover that all benevelant occupiers of the Motherland eventually ended up fertilizing her fields with their blood. As for taking Russia, hmmm, Americans never had the stomach for the casualties your grand schemes and dreams come up with. Sorry, wouldn't have happened even if you were in the White House.
63 posted on 06/26/2002 4:58:01 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Burkeman1
By the way, A bomb factor? The US didn't build another A bomb for 5 years, not enough Urainium in America. The Soviets were a nuclear power by the time the US A-bomb threat was real. By the way, just out of curiousity, would your type of rule be as benevalant as that given to the Indians and the Mexicans? Or the Phillipinoes?
64 posted on 06/26/2002 5:00:02 PM PDT by Stavka2
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