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To: Burkeman1
I thought Stalingrad was a good movie. By the end, most of the soldiers of the Wehrmacht (which was politically neutral) dispised Hitler, especially once they figured out they'd been abandoned. The book Enemy at the Gates was good, the movie was a piece of Hollywood trash about as accurate as the politically correct Patriot. Russian soldiers never charged head long into battle, they were more heavily armed then the germans and used Storm Groups of 20-30 men, armed to the teeth to sneak through the sewers or through the roof tops and strike the German rear. The Germans, while great field manueverists, simply had to idea how to take a city and decided to just pound it...read: body waves backed by tanks...well, most of the tanks survived...can't say the same for the German infantry. It was also in Stalingrad that STAVKA perfected Kill Sacks....the movie took less then 10 pages from the book, warped it totally and made a Holly wood soap opera out of it....pathetic. Das Boot and Stalingrad were both good movies. Suverov was already a super sniper and a major in the Sniper Division.
110 posted on 07/20/2002 12:45:58 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Stavka2
Oh- don't get me started on "The Patriot". That was such a lie from beginning to end that it made me sick. The English never burned a Church full of civilians or even killed civilians as they portray it in the movie! It is a gross and unforgivable lie in my opinion.

In fact- I would wager that American patriots lynched more Loyalists than did the English Patriots.

But I disagree with you on Stalingrad the movie. It could have been so much better. But - to be honest- I think it was edited very badly.

111 posted on 07/22/2002 4:37:56 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Stavka2
About the fact of Russians being barely armed charging headlong into battle- that was about the only part of the movie that was accurate. Beevor and many many Russian historians confirm the incredible carnage in late september and October of the 62nd Army under Chuikov- and how they were driven into battle under threat of death. Germans who survived attest to mountains of Russians dead in front of their positions- so much so that the bodies had to be burnt because the mounds of russian dead provided cover for the following waves. Surely you won't deny the existence of Penal battalions as well? The Germans actually adopted the idea from the Russians during the assault on Berlin.
112 posted on 07/22/2002 4:48:58 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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