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To: lavaroise
It has nothing to do with the crowd we hang with. It has to do with observations. I am not saying all Jews hate Christians, but a fair number of them don't think too highly of them, while the Christians look up to the Jews.

The crowd we hang with is more interested in fishing and building cabins and many have never even met a Jew. One guy here even asked me what a Jewish person is. He didn't know anything about them except they are some sort of group of people that you hear about every now and then.

58 posted on 06/16/2002 3:40:53 AM PDT by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
It has to do with observations.

This is exactly the problem. Definitions fail because definitions are of the realm of the physical world. One can say a BMW is better than a Yugo, by defintion. However, when comparing each other as cars, we end up into dire eugenic straits and confining ideologies.

I do not deny that there are Jews with delusions of grandeur nor Christians that are confused. Worse, there is a brand of leftist humanists who jump over the challenge argument of eugenism and declare all humans are good and equal - understated in sinlessness - and what they do is due to some physical phenomena going on in brain functions. But this brings us back to eugenism or a form of eugenism affected by the environement and not innate as the Nazies claimed.

So what is the truth? The truth is none are sinless, and hence any man or institution of man is to submit to a balance of jurisdictions. Civil disobedience is a way to assert jurisdiction and to challenge those against the existence of such rightful jurisdiction. The sinfulness of jurisdiction does not forbid its existence, but its duty to understand its own sinfulness and take appropriate steps in not overstepping other people's boundaries and jurisdictions.

Let us face it, Jews and Christians do not defer on the definition of G_d since both group are forbiden from defining G_d or casting demons in His name. Nor do they defer on sacrifice since both religions give to G_d through economic sacrifices and prayers.

Jews and Christian defer in how jurisdiction of G_d is distributed from heaven. Is it man directly responsible to G_d's jurisdiction as in the Garden of Eden? Or is it man responsible to a J_sus-G_d/Son-Father ideal jurisdiction relationship? Hence Christians are more practical in relating to each other accross the world, Jews are more practical when it comes to standing for oneself, and either works are accomplished by men and institutions equal in sinfulness.

A confederation of both meta-jurisdictional approaches is called for, confederation that was not understood, nor by Christians, nor by Jews, when J_sus went on the cross. When J_sus said give unto G_d what is G_d's and unto Caesar what is Caesar's, Christians interpreted it as the separation of church and state, both relating. Jews were content to interprete it as a vindication of standing for yourself in relationship to G_d. While the whole deal is about relating to the enemy in hopes the enemy will learn about relationship, and that this relationship provides the enemy with the good sense to change its mind and let others stand up for themselves.

Many Jews have asserted that Christianity has contributed to the coming of Messiah, despite its proselytist arrogance toward Jews as opposed to orientating this proselytism toward Caesar as J_sus specificly instructed. Jews do not look down on Christians, and I hope Christians can understand that their needed relationship to Jews does not mean they are to feel inferior.

69 posted on 06/16/2002 4:31:15 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: DBtoo
It has nothing to do with the crowd we hang with. It has to do with observations. I am not saying all Jews hate Christians, but a fair number of them don't think too highly of them, while the Christians look up to the Jews. The crowd we hang with is more interested in fishing and building cabins and many have never even met a Jew. One guy here even asked me what a Jewish person is. He didn't know anything about them except they are some sort of group of people that you hear about every now and then.

Dboo, observations of what? You say that many of your friends haven't even met a single Jew in their life. So, how do you come up with a representative sampling from which to draw such a conclusion that (a) "a fair number [of Jews] don't think too highly of [Christians]"; or (b) that "the Christians look up to the Jews"? How do you calculate a 'fair number'? And, how can someone grow to adulthood in the USA or be a Christian, and not know what a Jew "is"? I've known lots of Jews...and Christians...and Hindus...and agnostics...and atheists....personally, and from business interactions, Dboo. Also, i have both Judaic and Christian familial religious roots. My experience, Dboo, is that we (i.e., anyone of any religion or no religion) don't "look up" to each other based upon our respective religions; we accept each other, and give each other the respect that is due based on our demonstrated character, not our religion. A schmuck is a schmuck; a mench is a mench; in any religion. ;-) (and my yiddish spelling sucks, lol)
104 posted on 06/16/2002 5:18:52 AM PDT by DontMessWithMyCountry
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To: DBtoo
p.s. sorry i misspelled your name, DBtoo ;-)
106 posted on 06/16/2002 5:21:49 AM PDT by DontMessWithMyCountry
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