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'VIGILANTE' JEWS WILL SET FORTH A BATTLE PLAN
New York Post ^ | 6/16/02 | PHILIP MESSING

Posted on 06/16/2002 12:55:18 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:06:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

June 16, 2002 -- The Jewish Defense Group - which says it wants to protect its neighborhood even as critics call them vigilantes looking to inflame tensions - will hit the streets today with its controversial armed patrols.

Leaders of the group last week raised the hackles of cops and other city leaders by vowing to patrol Jewish neighborhoods such as Borough Park and Flatbush.


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To: Yehuda, larrylied, bybybill
I support 100% the efforts of citizens of a community to be armed for the common defense of that community from predators and criminals of any kind.

I don't care if they are Jews, Christians, Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics, Korean expatriates, or Martians. In America as citizens, they all have the right to be armed and to protect their communities and fellow citizens from criminals.

That isn't very hard to understand, is it?

181 posted on 06/16/2002 4:20:50 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Paleo Conservative
EXACTLY! Bravo for recognizing it. This thread and all it's diversions is troubling to read. The point of this is that these men and women are exercising their GOD GIVEN right to self defense, and their constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. I am surprised to see so many people, on a supposedly right of center website, muddling the purity of this issue.
182 posted on 06/16/2002 4:24:23 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: SJackson

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Image courtesy Oleg Volk


183 posted on 06/16/2002 4:26:56 PM PDT by the
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To: wotan
Is a Jew who believes in Jesus a Jew? There is a lot of debate about that. The Israeli Supreme Court has apparantly rendered their decision. It's just politics. Maybe the equivalent of a Roe v Wade type decision. Their obvious agenda being to keep the Jewish state a Jewish state.

It's not like, say, Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, where you can't practice another religion in public, and cannot gain citizenship through immigration at all.

184 posted on 06/16/2002 4:38:44 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Pinlighter
I usually trust Americans with guns. I don't trust this lot. They are loony, full of self-righteousness, and deaf to any sort of criticism.

Are these the people who don't work much, have huge families and live more or less off welfare? Read about one enclave (the one Hillary got the support from I think ) in which a third of the men did nothing but study the Torah and received (kinda illegally) federal money earmarked for kids education to do it.

185 posted on 06/16/2002 5:19:03 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Were your relatives from the Polish sector where everyone was killed? It is kind of bum not to be able to find out anything because everything in the whole area was obliterated. So all I have is my grandfather's name and from what I'm told, his nose.
186 posted on 06/16/2002 5:31:47 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: Twodees
Didn't Kahane hate Christians along with Arabs?
187 posted on 06/16/2002 5:41:36 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: Pinlighter
What is going to happen if these guys shoot a totally innocent arab?

There are no totally innocent Arabs. Many of them are like Englishmen with added homicidal mania, even.

How about you lot taking care of all the gun killings in gun-free Britain, before you start worrying about the American jooos carrying guns? Are you afraid, perhaps, that English jooos might start having ideas about self-defense too?

188 posted on 06/16/2002 5:56:22 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: DBtoo
No, as far as I know he never expressed hatred for anyone.
189 posted on 06/16/2002 6:03:52 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
I remember him calling Arabs dogs and pigs, which I'm sure was meant to be a great insult as Arabs despise both pigs and dogs. I don't understand why Arabs hate dogs so much. I knew some people who lived in Saudi for some years, and they said the young guys would kill any dogs they found for sport, that they really hate dogs. I love dogs, and cats, like many other people, so I don't understand how or why that is. I believe it is an Islamic thing, as an Iranian guy who was Muslim that I knew told me they believe dogs to be very unclean animals and they are not to be kept as pets. Sad.
190 posted on 06/16/2002 6:11:33 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: SJackson
Am I missing something in the position of the anti-gun freepers here?

On this thread pro-gun = pro-Jew.
I am surprised that religious identity (or gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation for that matter) has anything to do with the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
I must have missed the fine print.

191 posted on 06/16/2002 6:13:48 PM PDT by sistergoldenhair
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
Were they completely burned down with all of the religioius scrolls?

You worried there might be a torah or two left, KLA?

Btw - you ran like a dog before you could give a clear answer: Are you a muslim Serb??? Bonus question: doesn't that make you feel like traitor?

192 posted on 06/16/2002 6:33:45 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: LarryLied
Are these the people who don't work much, have huge families and live more or less off welfare? Read about one enclave (the one Hillary got the support from I think ) in which a third of the men did nothing but study the Torah and received (kinda illegally) federal money

Thanks for sharing! Now we know what you think of all religious Jews.

193 posted on 06/16/2002 6:40:09 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Joshua Courtney,LarryLied
Very nice post. Lied will have no coherent answer for you.
194 posted on 06/16/2002 6:45:07 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: LarryLied
In Polish history, Berman ranks right up there with Hitler and Stalin as a killer.

This is a lie coming from LarryLied. You are a liar.

195 posted on 06/16/2002 6:51:30 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: monkeyshine
I am surprised to see so many people, on a supposedly right of center website, muddling the purity of this issue.

Right of center? That's what I have always thought, but...

On this thread we have bybybill, who is obviously not right of anything. Obviously not right, in fact. We have LarryLied, who is a Nazi. He may fret about that label, but anyone sifting through a ton of threads here can prove it. What's more, he is a Nazi who will obviously NOT be banned from this site, ever. That makes him a House Nazi, with this site's backing. The same goes for another poster who routinely posts his drivel from Hoffman-info and other holocoust-denial sites and who will not be banned, even though that is "oficially" a banning offense. Pinlighter is from England, a leftwing society with a gun-ban (a gun ban they have tacitly admitted is there to keep the people from getting too uppity about freedom issues - the start of their gun legislation was from fear that the workers might revolt). Vojvoda was banned, from what I understand, but then came back within hours. He has more or less admitted being a Balkans muslim.

Right of center?? You know, there is a political model of a circle. Wander far enough to the right and far enough to the left, and you end up in the same place. That's where you have a large portion of this site's posters.

196 posted on 06/16/2002 6:53:21 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Cachelot
I was taught in school that the model was a horseshoe. But I think you are right, it is a circle. The far left and far right are pretty much in the same place, they just take different paths to get there.
197 posted on 06/16/2002 7:01:41 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: SJackson
Are Jews defending themselves with firearms (cased) a threat? .....Am I missing something in the position of the anti-gun freepers here?

Thanks for the ping. I'd missed this thread up to now.

It would appear that the so-called anti-gun freepers in this thread perhaps aren't really anti-gun. They have some sort of problem with American Jews exercising their right of self defense. I don't see it as an anti-gun stance as much as I do an anti-Jews-with-guns stance. As such, it seems to be a far more deep seeded problem than a simple anti-gun position.

Are we not all American citizens, and enjoy the same rights and freedoms equally? There is no addendum to the 2nd amendment that states "except for the deaf, women, those of questionable morality, Jews, those who reside in substandard housing, the Irish, single mothers, or those with blonde hair."

"The right of the people," in reference to the 2nd, excludes no one.

198 posted on 06/16/2002 7:25:07 PM PDT by Hoosier Patriot
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To: dennisw
In Polish history, Berman ranks right up there with Hitler and Stalin as a killer.

This is a lie coming from LarryLied. You are a liar.

From a paper presented at the Houston Holocaust Museum, March 1, 1998:

In Poland, three names strike terror into people's hearts: Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Jakub Berman, Stalin's right hand in Poland from 1944 to 1953. Adolf Hitler's crimes are well known, Stalin's crimes are beginning to be known, but Jakub Berman's crimes are totally unknown in the West. Click here for more

199 posted on 06/16/2002 7:42:42 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Alouette
Thanks for sharing! Now we know what you think of all religious Jews.

I gave no opinion but only asked if this was one of the groups which lives off public assistance. That such Jewish groups exist in NYC is no secret. I first heard about the scam from Lynne Samuels on WABC radio. She had an opinion about them. Not a very good one I might add. The animosity (which is intense) directed against them comes mainly from fellow Jews. Few gentiles know much about them at all. But you know all this.

200 posted on 06/16/2002 7:51:48 PM PDT by LarryLied
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