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To: walden
Thank you very much. I will go and buy this book as soon as I can.

Having read some of his earlier histories, I was deeply impressed by the man's apparant love of the truth. As I recall from transcript excerpts from the trial, the greatest point of controversy was the dispute over the gas chambers, the introductions of Cyclon B through special vents in the roof, that were never located, and the still controversial question of where the bodies went, how such a volume of human remains could have so thoroughly disappeared, etc.

If Irving is claiming these days that the Holocost did not indeed happen, he has indeed gone thoroughly round the bend.

His opponant did indeed accuse him of being a Nazi based on his inability to find references to the exterminations in his research into what Hitler knew and when he knew it etc, but he was very foolish indeed to have sued her for this slander in England, where their libel laws have teeth that can grind a person up and ruin them forever.

Hitler's War was an impressive document, IMHO, although no American publisher had the guts to publish it. Nowhere in it was there anything that would cause one to think that Irving was anti-semitic, much less a Nazi or Holocost denier or anything like that.

There are a lot of outright lies on this issue and honorable people who question the six million number who are not anti-Semitic or anything like it. There were six million Jews in Europe before the war by the count of Jewish scholars of that period themselves. Most of the Jews of Europe got out before the war. Nowhere in the last years have I ever heard any reference to the five and a half million non-Jews who were also exterminated, but that figure alone can get you into hot water as being anti-Semitic.

It is a fact that the Germans slaughtered two million Poles before they actually got started on the Jews, according to Goldhagen in his book Hitler's Willing Executioners.

But regardless of where and by what means, anyone who denies that the Jews were slaughtered by the millions is guilty of wilful lying or wilful ignorance, no matter what.

I'd personally like to see somebody mention, just once in a while, the 20-30 millions of Ukranians, etc. murdered by Stalin before and during the war, and of course the forty plus Chinese wilfully murdered by Mao before and during the cultural revolution, etc.

But the Left don't like the fact that Bolshivism, in all its different forms, murdered at least a hundred million souls during the 20th century. You have to special order any books dealing with this since it's considered the sign of a Fascist to even note these facts.

Thanks again and all the best...

16 posted on 06/15/2002 9:28:45 PM PDT by maturin
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To: maturin
You're welcome, and you're absolutely correct that Hitler killed a lot of people in addition to Jews, and that Stalin killed millions as well. The twentieth century was pretty deadly, wasn't it? Unfortunately, this century isn't looking real good either.
17 posted on 06/15/2002 9:37:40 PM PDT by walden
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To: maturin
So if some historian estimates that the number of Jews slain were in the tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, but not millions, then he is automatically evil and untrustworthy in your opinion?
18 posted on 06/15/2002 9:41:47 PM PDT by The Man
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To: maturin
The Forgotten Holocaust is a good read. It deals not with the 7 million murdered earlier in the Ukraine but the millions of Polish Christians who were killed or shipped to Soviet concentration camps between 1939-40 and 1945-1953.
21 posted on 06/15/2002 10:18:44 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: maturin
There were 9 million Jews in Europe in the 1930's. 5.9 million died in the Holocaust.
About 5 million Gypsies, Poles and political prisoners were also killed. Million of civilians on the eastern front were killed both by the Nazis and Soviets.

Teh crimes of the communists before, during and after World War 2 are rarely commented on and never punished.
However, your defese on Irving is not justified by the facts. He willfully lied, was called on it and then sued those who called him on his lies for libel. He lost and has to pay.

36 posted on 06/17/2002 4:47:11 PM PDT by rmlew
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