Posted on 06/12/2002 11:57:24 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
Edited on 04/12/2004 5:38:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
VICTORVILLE, Calif. (AP) - A man described by a judge as "an evil monster" was sentenced to 25 years in prison for using a baseball bat, metal pipe and golf club to attack a 12-year-old Halloween trick-or-treater on his doorstep.
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The first on the list claims that law morphs into whatever is convenient.
Your first non sequitur of the day.
The ideologues would have others believe that "Banned in Boston" was a famous pre-MTV colonial musical group which advocated crystal meth consumption to the children of the Founding Fathers.
The liberdopians are the screwjits who belive all evil associated with drug use will vanish if heroin and hash vending machines are installed at every rest-stop and service station.
What we will get instead is a socialized drug abuse just as we now have socialized alcohol abuse where the costs are spread among everyone in society via coercive taxes and bloated insurance premiums.
Goodbye WOD. Hello, suffocating nanny government socialism.
Yep, - And I advocate the stablity of our constitutional principles. -- Apparently, you just don't 'like' my style. -- You're a judgmental, self appointed 'authority'. A maven.
Libertarians seek to create a government in their own image based on the belief that all law should mirror their force of fraud model, but American government wasn't founded on purely libertarian principles.
Now one here said it was. - And your 'image' is sheer bull. Original constitutional principles suit us just fine.
In order for a libertarian governmental model to be implemented, the traditions of American culture would need to be replaced by libertarian theory, and conservatives are generally reluctant to replace tradition with anything. (This is why Hitler and the German Nazis were particularly hostile to conservatism; for awhile it stood in the way of their new political model which was based on the theorizing of Mussolini and Hitler.)
Pitiful 'nazi' straw man. You need to learn better forms of rebuttal .
Conservatism also stresses established institutions and prefers gradual development to abrupt change. Libertarians advocate abrupt changes in drug laws, morals laws. etc. and conservatives are again generally reluctant to replace established law with a new set of laws based on theory.
Revisionist idiocy. -- The rather 'abrupt' socialist changes in our free republic's system occurred in the first half of the 20th century. Conservatives of all stripes, -- libertarians & others, -- have been working since then to restore respect for constitutional values.
In its attack on American culture and social institutions libertarianism works hand in hand with liberalism to undermine tradition and social stability, which are pillars of political conservatism...and anyone who tells you otherwise has no idea what they're talking about.
Just more anti-libertarian hype.
- I can use hype too; - you Rinos & statists are working with the socialists to build an ever larger governmental system, --- and this is self evident, - no one needs to tell you.
False.
American conservatives are interested in conserving the institutions of American government. Totalitarianism and communism aren't consistent with American conservatism in any sense as conservatives believe that the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are worth preserving (and not just because they're Traditional American Artifacts, but because we believe in what's in them).
I'm a conservative because, in part, I want to preserve the traditions of American government and I believe that American social stability is worth conserving. I believe that applying the force-or-fraud test to the entire body of American law would weaken social stability, hence, libertarianism isn't the political philosophy for me.
In a communist or totalitarian state I wouldn't be considered a conservative; I'd be considered a reactionary.
Conservatives in America have also traditionally stood for smaller government, lower taxes, less federal spending and fiscal accountability. Sadly, conservative politicians seem to be getting away from that message, but it must be remembered that they're dealing with a Democrat-controlled Senate and they don't control the committees anymore.
Earth to Kevin, the WOD IS suffocating nanny government socialism.
Even if they are unconstitutional.
I appreciate your detailed response but your hostility to viewpoints that don't match your own is underwhelming. I can see that the concept of civil discourse is lost on you. Good afternoon.
-- Bye bye.
False.
Nope, its a true statement. You lie, roscoe.
"Thomas Jefferson advocated castrating homosexuals. He was not of a libertarian mindset. Neither were John Adams, George Washington or Benjamin Franklin, and anyone arguing otherwise is a nincompoop. I personally think that castrating homosexuals is harsh, which puts me to the left of Jefferson on the issue...yet libertarians view me as a "right-wing Fascist" (a flawed term). The only conclusion I have been able to draw from such reasoning is that libertarians, if they knew Jefferson's stance on sodomy, would believe that Jefferson was a fascistic, moralistic zealot (who didn't realize it himself). But most of them don't know about it and idolize him anyway although he stands in direct opposition to their force-or-fraud argument."
Continuing a discourse with me will be both instructional and edifying for you. You might even learn what "conservatism" is, and as a result will be able to argue your points from a knowledgeable position.
Get lost.
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