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Judge sentences man to 25 years for beating trick-or-treater
AP ^ | June 12, 2002

Posted on 06/12/2002 11:57:24 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:38:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

VICTORVILLE, Calif. (AP) - A man described by a judge as "an evil monster" was sentenced to 25 years in prison for using a baseball bat, metal pipe and golf club to attack a 12-year-old Halloween trick-or-treater on his doorstep.


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To: Roscoe
Libertarians typically refuse to recognize historically well established rights

Roscoe typically diagnoses Libertarians as being afflicted with his own disease. There is no right where permission is required.

421 posted on 06/15/2002 3:24:32 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
The public cannot establish rights.

It can and it does.

Among others, the right to attend its public schools, to enjoy the use of its public parks and museums, to vote in its public elections, to run for its public office.

422 posted on 06/15/2002 3:25:38 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Texaggie79
...The ones that supported slavery didn't view blacks as equal humans. However, the witchcraft and sodomy laws applied to everyone. And the very authors of the USC supported those state laws.

I was merely following your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion.

You said, "...the founders supported state laws that prohibited witchcraft, and sodomy..."

Therefore what? Therefore we should support something because the founders supported it? That isn't an argument. It is a fallacy known as Argumentum ad Verecundiam.

423 posted on 06/15/2002 3:26:04 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Jhoffa_
It says respectively though..

So what? You cannot have "respective" control over something reserved to somebody else. Furthermore, all political powers are derived from the people themselves. To claim that the states, which derive their own powers from the people, may infringe upon powers they do not posess and were never given them through the people, borders on the insane.

424 posted on 06/15/2002 3:26:32 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Alan Chapman

If it's the States right's to self determination.. then certainly we should..

425 posted on 06/15/2002 3:27:32 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Roscoe
Among others, the right to attend its public schools, to enjoy the use of its public parks and museums, to vote in its public elections, to run for its public office.

You should consult a dictionary. You do not have the right to attend any public school. You do not have the right to enjoy public parks and museums.

Voting and running for office are rights. They cannot be infringed and require no permission.

426 posted on 06/15/2002 3:28:22 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
There is no right where permission is required.

Nonsense. You have rights to use an office you lease, acquired by permission of the owner.

If he evicts you without cause, you a right to file suit in the courts provided by the public.

427 posted on 06/15/2002 3:29:13 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Demidog
The people of a state do not have the right to outlaw pot?

Come on.. When you talk about the federal WOD I am with you, but surely the people of the states have this right.

428 posted on 06/15/2002 3:29:19 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
So if the state's "right to self-determination" includes the murder of all Jews within its borders, you find it within their powers?
429 posted on 06/15/2002 3:29:21 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Alan Chapman
Therefore it would stand to reason that those laws where Constitutional, when the very authors of it supported them.

I submit that they didn't view blacks as equal humans, therefore slavery was constitutional. Their mistake was in that belief. What say you to their mistake in thinking States can prohibit and outlaw certain activity and property?

430 posted on 06/15/2002 3:30:10 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Demidog
Is it Constitutional?
431 posted on 06/15/2002 3:30:24 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
The people of a state do not have the right to outlaw pot?

No. The right to ingest medication is not under state authority. But I note that you refuse to acknowledge that all political power comes from the people.

If you do not have the personal right to kill your neighbor in order to prevent him from smoking pot or take aspirin, then you cannot confer that power onto others.

432 posted on 06/15/2002 3:31:34 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Jhoffa_
We argued the 'due process' bit to death starting back about post #250, & I posted some good quotes at 301, and a bit later.

-- Go back, read, and post your points. -- Otherwise, shut up.  

433 posted on 06/15/2002 3:32:26 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
...the public has decided to establish such rights.

So, you believe the origin of rights is the public?

Does any one individual have the power to grant rights or can only a group of people have the power?

434 posted on 06/15/2002 3:33:28 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Jhoffa_
Why do you care if it's constitutional? Your logic fails and then you want to turn back to hide under the skirts of the constitution. There is no prohibition of state-sanctioned Jew killing in the constitution. I obviously and vehemently disagree with anyone who proposes that such an absence implies authorization but apparently, that is your position.
435 posted on 06/15/2002 3:34:15 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
You do not have the right to attend any public school. You do not have the right to enjoy public parks and museums.

Nonsense. Of course people do.

Voting and running for office are rights.

Granted by society.

They cannot be infringed

Felons may be prevented from voting. Society set the time and place regulations for exercising the right.

Someone who wishes to run for public office must meet the requirements established by society for ballot access, such as filing dates, signature requirements and filing fees.

The world isn't a huge Libertarian kindergarden.

436 posted on 06/15/2002 3:34:29 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Demidog

But, who limits the States power and from where does their power extend?

Sounds to me like the people of the state can do as the please, and pass the laws they please.. within the framework of the constitution.

437 posted on 06/15/2002 3:34:54 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Roscoe
Libertarians typically refuse to recognize historically well established rights that don't easily fit into the theology of their cult.

A right cannot be granted from one person to another.

438 posted on 06/15/2002 3:35:43 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Alan Chapman
A 50% answer.

Our laws are more than all or nothing reductionism.

439 posted on 06/15/2002 3:36:11 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
if I were this kid's father, I would make sure he never had a chance to beat up another 12 year old (and I don't joke about these things).

If I were the kid's father...the perp never would have made it to trial.

No joke here either.

440 posted on 06/15/2002 3:37:29 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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