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To: Quix
>>And yet there's plenty of youth who seem to have bought the party line and have a growing hostility to the U.S. and western ways.

That's interesting. They were born after the cultural revolution. They eat big Macs, drink coke, watch Disney's and American movies, learn English. Soe of them are even fluent in Amercian slang. BUT they hate America. The majority of the Chinese population who are hostile to America are under 30.

10 posted on 06/12/2002 11:59:56 PM PDT by Lake
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To: Lake
Agree. The Chinese are, if anything, VERY ethnocentric.

Playing Chinese chess, the half game, when my student friend was teaching me, we'd be playing along and a friend would come up. . . another Chinese student.

Now, understand that his is a game which has written on the paper that comes with the chess pieces--two cardinal rules--one of which is--NO TALKING from onlookers--no assisting etc.

Anyway--I'd think that given that they'd both played all their lives and I was just learning, the newcomer would help me. WRONG!

A 3rd Chinese student friend would come up who'd also played all his life. . . I thought--wonderful, two against two. WRONG! it was 3 lifelong players aiding each other against the beginner. As many as 6 or 7 friends or even mere countrymen would end up colluding together against the western barbarian.

I've asked why in many different groups, contexts. It's like why is almost an incomprehensible question. It's like asking why there's a sky or why water is wet to them. It's like, there's no other option, OF COURSE Chinese would aid one another against the westerner. Fairness--which Chinese have a very KEEN and supersensitivity about if it involves others being fair to THEM--fairness just doesn't enter into that FROM THEIR ETHNOCENTRIC perspective.

One benefit, I'm now pretty good. Only about 3% of the students at the university can routinely beat me. Old men experts in the park won't play me unless they have no fear of losing face.

But this compulsion to help one another against the foreigner is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO INTENSE AND SEEMINGLY GENETIC. It's quite a phenomenon for a shrink and sociologist to observe.

I think the youth in the Mainland who are somewhat cheekily hostile to the U.S. do it as a kind of ethnocentric pride mixed with rebellion against the world authority of the U.S. But MOST adults of any age maturity at all are keenly appreciative of American blessings to China in WWII AND currently. Certainly there is jealousy at many levels over the wealth and progress America represents.

11 posted on 06/13/2002 12:24:55 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Lake
(Lake to Quix):That's interesting

ChiCom Propaganda vaudeville show starts up.

13 posted on 06/13/2002 7:11:10 AM PDT by tallhappy
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