[TrappedInLiberalHell]

I should amend that torture implies NEEDLESS suffering. If we had to torture bin Laden to save American lives, that would not be needless. Animals have nothing to tell us, and torturing a fox does not deter others from raiding your henhouse. People can be motivated. It must be hard for the person or people who have to do it, just as it would have been hard for President Bush to order the fourth plane shot down on 9/11. Sometimes life calls for tough choices to be made.

[EggsAckley]

Arrrrgggghhh!! What have you done to me? <{;oP