Two senators questioning detention without charges [Bush-hater, John McCain, at it again]

Miami Herald Online ^ | Wednesday, June 12, 2002 | BY JAMES KUHNHENN AND CASSIO FURTADO

[Dane]

It hasn't been necessay to go outside our Constitution in handling Walker Linde and Moussari. Why is it necessary with Padillo?

I don't know, but I will trust Ashcroft, and not listen to the naysayers who want to coddle terrorists.

[Roscoe]

In our court system

The SCOTUS held, "Citizens of the United States who associate themselves with the military arm of an enemy government, and with its aid, guidance and direction enter this country bent on hostile acts, are enemy belligerents within the meaning of the Hague Convention and the law of war."

[Dane]

Let me connect the dots state my(WIGS) paranoia for you.

[Iwo Jima]

Who gets to decide who is an "illegal combatant" or "enemy belligerant?" What if this Padillo guy (or the next guy) says that they did not do what the government says that they did to deserve such a label? What if the Al Queda guy is lying? What if our government is lying? Or simply mistaken? What if Padilla doesn't even have a computer? How would we ever know?

Are you at all concerned that Padiillo bears an uncanny resemblance to John Doe #2? What if the real reason that Robert Mueller is doing this (Ashcroft is just Mueller's toady) is to shelter a guy whom they don't want to prosecute because of what would come out about OKC bombing.

[lavaroise]

Isn't that grand, McCain messing with jurisdictions again ... from people's right to firearms to the president's work, he just likes to put his slobby socialist hands everywhere. Meanwhile, try to investigate his deals with the north Vietnamese or whatever, and you will get an angry scold from him.

[Roscoe]

Are you at all concerned that Padiillo bears an uncanny resemblance to John Doe #2?

I'm concerned with the number of lunatics posting on FR lately.

[bigdog]

I'm concerned with the number of lunatics posting on FR lately.

ROFLMAO

BD

[kaktuskid]

Do you think you will have any "rights" if several of these bombs go off?? This greaseball was training in the AL-Crudda camps!!

[Who is George Salt?]

Do you think you will have any "rights" if several of these bombs go off?? This greaseball was training in the AL-Crudda camps!!

And what an amazing training program they have. Why they took a uneducated street thug and turned him into a nucelar weapons researcher! Wow - maybe we are going to die.

[Roscoe]

This was in time of war.

This is a time of war.

Constitutionally speaking we are NOT at war.

Quote the Constitution in support of your assertion. If you can.

[steve-b]

Is it even remotely possible that someone (maybe not this person, maybe someone else, though) could be charged with an act that he did not in fact do?

Ask Billy Dale.

[Aedammair]

And that blatantly unconstitutional and totally unnecessary act was, as expected, declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

I'm sure you're not positing that the Supreme Court is the indisputable arbiter and repository of truth, and infallible interpreter of the Constitution. Because arguing via that standpoint would obviously be futile. You must have been trying to make some other erudite point. I await a more muscular attempt, as original one is pretty flaccid.

I take it that your favorite justices would be Souter, Stevens, and others who see the Constitution as a "living" document whose plain meaning can and should be ignored to make sure that government gets its way and that the freedom of the people are steadily reduced.

I'm sure you simply forgot to note that your favorite justices are not infallible either, and again must have been trying to convince by arguing some other equally as erudite point.

Again I will say that freedom without security is not possible. And again I will refer you to the millions of people in the world currently under seige.

[Mo1]

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[weaponeer]

LOL! NC_Crusader, let me give you some advice. Don't even bother to start in with Roscoe. He'll just run you in circles with "no cite, no evidence, no argument" crap. He makes dane look like an intellectual.

[steve-b]

The minute that he is charged, his lawyer stands between him and the government and they will no longer have access to him for questioning.

Huh? The government gets information out of people after filing charges every day -- sometimes the whole point of filing a charge is to use the offer to drop it as a bargaining chip.

[Chess]

"I don't know, but I will trust Ashcroft, and not listen to the naysayers who want to coddle terrorists."

Trying and executing terrorists while staying within Constitutional bounds is NOT "coddling" terrorists.

Why do you think those who would prefer staying within the bounds of the Constitution want to go easy on terrorist?

Would you trust this power to any AG?

We do not know who will be President in the future. Are you that sure that they will be trustworthy?

[Roscoe]

The attack on the Twin Towers wasn't an act of war?

Bizarre.

[Roscoe]

Trying and executing terrorists while staying within Constitutional bounds is NOT "coddling" terrorists.

The SCOTUS held, "Citizens of the United States who associate themselves with the military arm of an enemy government, and with its aid, guidance and direction enter this country bent on hostile acts, are enemy belligerents within the meaning of the Hague Convention and the law of war."