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Atheists improve society
The Orange County Register ^ | 11 June 2002 | Richard Cheek

Posted on 06/11/2002 10:12:35 AM PDT by thinktwice

Edited on 04/14/2004 10:05:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: f.Christian
The concept/belief/reality of God requires a soul/life(mind)

That's an interesting assertion. I believe that I have "life" and that I have a "mind" -- at least by currently accepted definitions -- but I'm not aware of whether or not I have a "soul". Could you perhaps provide a definition for a "soul" and explain how I determine whether or not I have one and, if I don't have one, how I could go about obtaining one?
981 posted on 06/13/2002 4:17:08 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
Simple...free-will/thinking---liberated/enlightened(wise=sapien) vs dumb-will/thinking!
983 posted on 06/13/2002 4:20:00 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Dimensio
Yeah...FREE will/thinking---LIVING too!
984 posted on 06/13/2002 4:21:24 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Dimensio
...how I could go about obtaining one?

I can sell you mine ;)

985 posted on 06/13/2002 4:21:26 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: f.Christian
Simple...free-will/thinking---liberated/enlightened(wise=sapien) vs dumb-will/thinking!

That really does not give me any useful information regarding the definition of "soul" nor in the methods employed in obtaining one. Could you perhaps relate what you have stated above with "soul"?
986 posted on 06/13/2002 4:22:05 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: lexcorp
D'oh! You found out.
987 posted on 06/13/2002 4:22:22 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: Dimensio
As/usual there is a tradeoff if you want sincereity(soul)...w/o the pride-ego/bias is a prerequisite---

hypocrisy/psychosis you can be everything(nothing)...absent of soul!

Truth(soul) does't tolerate insincereity!

988 posted on 06/13/2002 4:29:20 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Hrmm...I'm having trouble understanding your posts. Is English not your first language?
989 posted on 06/13/2002 4:31:25 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: f.Christian
D'oh!

Holy crap! Who invited the babbler?

990 posted on 06/13/2002 4:32:17 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: Dimensio
r-e-p-e-n-t!
991 posted on 06/13/2002 4:32:50 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Dimensio
Is English not your [f.christian's] first language?

You don't understand creationism-speak?

992 posted on 06/13/2002 4:35:04 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Dimensio
Is English not your first language?

I doubt that this is the problem.

993 posted on 06/13/2002 4:37:06 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: Dimensio
Assuming that some intelligent entity of some kind that exists beyond the universe is an assumption based not on evidence for its truth but ignorance of any alternative methods.

No, it is based on evidence, it's just that the evidence is not empiracally testable.

994 posted on 06/13/2002 5:02:26 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: lexcorp
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; the New Testament writers; It's a good thing some of them knew how to write; otherwise how would we know that God was with them?

Hello!

My (so far unrecognized) point was that I'd expect the same God that carved out the ten commandments for Moses would at least send us personal human representatives -- Sons of God, or whatever -- that could write.

995 posted on 06/13/2002 5:06:42 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: Tribune7
No, it is based on evidence, it's just that the evidence is not empiracally testable.

What kind of useful evidence cannot be empirically tested?
996 posted on 06/13/2002 5:15:21 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: PatrickHenry
This notion is like the Terminator. It just won't die, no matter how many times you shoot it, blow it up, crush it, burn it, etc., it just keeps on coming ...

You are shooting at the notion but you can't stop it because you are firing blanks.

Harold Morowitz estimates the probability of all necessary conditions existing simultaneously for a single "simple" cell to be at 1 in 10100,000,000,000, or similar to the odds of winning 10,000 lotteries in a row. 

Sir Frederick Hoyle (an avowed atheist) calculates the odds of only the proteins of an amoebae arising by chance as 1 in 1040,000! 

Francis Crick has rejected spontaneous generation on Earth.

You'd be better off waiting for a miracle.

997 posted on 06/13/2002 5:26:35 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
10,000 lotteries in a row...wow!
998 posted on 06/13/2002 5:31:34 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Tribune7
10,000 lotteries in a row...wow!
999 posted on 06/13/2002 5:31:52 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Tribune7
10,000 lotteries in a row...wow!
1,000 posted on 06/13/2002 5:31:58 PM PDT by f.Christian
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