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Amazing Resemblance of Jose Padilla and the OKC John Doe
Freepers | 11 June 02 | TankerKC

Posted on 06/11/2002 9:15:40 AM PDT by TankerKC



TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: doe; padilla
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To: afraidfortherepublic
It's a gut feel more than anything else--the fact that he's wearing a gimmie cap with the bill forward instead of reversed says "older than early-to-mid-20s" to me, especially given that he's a gang-banger. That was well into the time where it'd become fashionable among the hoodlum element, right up there with holding the pistol sideways while shooting.

Also, the OKC bombing was 1995, not 1993. Was that a typo on your part?

I'm wondering if this guy has relations--I just finished American Jihad, and Moose Limb terrorism is a family-business kind of thing. You know, "I wanna be just like Dad/my older brother/my cousin when I blow up."

161 posted on 06/12/2002 5:16:26 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: c-five
Let me look it up. It's also here on Free Republic. If you do a search you'll see it.
162 posted on 06/12/2002 5:40:18 AM PDT by MadRobotArtist
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To: ladyinred
thanks for the ping....amazing...
163 posted on 06/12/2002 6:13:19 AM PDT by Clovis_Skeptic
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To: happygrl
He more than likely is a CIA asset then.

why would the CIA blow up a federal building?

To set up white milita types or???

164 posted on 06/12/2002 6:15:29 AM PDT by Clovis_Skeptic
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To: WVNan
When Spanish settlement of the New World began in earnest (circa 1515) thousands of Moorish people emigrated from Spain to the islands.

Later the Brits brought in thousands of people from India.

It is frequently difficult to be sure about whether an individual from Puerto Rico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, etc. is of Spanish or Middle Eastern origins as a result.

165 posted on 06/12/2002 6:35:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Did it ever occur to you that we are witnessing an elaborate Kabuki dance intended to tell the tale of ME radical complicity in the OKC bombing? The Govt could have held this card to play at whatever juncture they deemed it useful.
166 posted on 06/12/2002 6:49:05 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Poohbah
Also, the OKC bombing was 1995, not 1993. Was that a typo on your part?

Nah. My brain just slipped a gear. I was thinking "beginning of the Clinton Administration" and I just mis remembered. That Administration was sooooooooooo looooooooong that it is hard for me to remember exact times. LOL. My fault. Sorry.

Youmake a good point with your cap observatons, but I still think these two are remarkably alike. If they are the same person, the cap anomoly could have been an attempt to "fit in" as Al Quaeda are supposed to do. Even if he wasn't Al Quaeda at that time, I'm sure that various militia organizations have their own dress codes too.

167 posted on 06/12/2002 6:49:50 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Demidog
Well I'm not married to the idea of this guy being John Doe #2. But, at least, it opens the door to a lot of questions. OKC, like TWA 800, is one of those events that might have been connected to Al Quaida and/or state-sponsored terrorism against the U.S. As we become more familiar with the individuals involved, we find that their paths cross, a lot. They don't have the kind of compartmentalization and opsec a real spy agency has. They recruit relatives, and use family connections. They use their operatives for multiple ops at the same time. So while this guy may not be John Doe #2, I would not be suprised at all to find a guy named Padilla behind the composite sketch, especially with that spooky coincidence that Terry Nichols' first wife is named Padilla. Just how many Padillas end up associating with terorists anyway?
168 posted on 06/12/2002 6:52:29 AM PDT by eno_
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To: Poohbah
In case you didn't see it, your remark ME children "wanting to be just like my dad when I blow up" brings this thread to mind:

Click Here

169 posted on 06/12/2002 6:56:54 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: kinghorse
Did it ever occur to you that we are witnessing an elaborate Kabuki dance intended to tell the tale of ME radical complicity in the OKC bombing?

No. I think Bush and Ashcroft are more straightforward than that.

170 posted on 06/12/2002 7:29:59 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: 4ourprogeny
According to today's Miami Herald:

Padilla, born in Brooklyn of Puerto Rican ancestry, moved to Chicago with his family at age 5. He attended Charles R. Darwin Grammar School. Whatever high school education he received came from the juvenile justice system, friends said.

The rest of the story, which is basically a "poor stupid kid" piece:

Bomb suspect changed his life in South Florida

171 posted on 06/12/2002 7:54:48 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: all
Click on this...

Glenn Beck's picture of the day, FYI

172 posted on 06/12/2002 8:34:09 AM PDT by Frank Grimes
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To: Sabertooth
A caller on Fox News this morning said that Padilla is the maiden name of Terry Nichols' wife. Anyone able to verify that? Any relation between her and this guy?
173 posted on 06/12/2002 9:09:22 AM PDT by JavaTheHutt
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To: JavaTheHutt
A caller on Fox News this morning said that Padilla is the maiden name of Terry Nichols' wife. Anyone able to verify that? Any relation between her and this guy?

The caller is correct, but Nichols' wife is Philippino, and this guy is of Puerto Rican heritage.




174 posted on 06/12/2002 9:13:08 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: all
Better comparison morphing pic. Isn't it around the eyes that that they take those measurements that are like fingerprints? Those eyes are nearly an exact match! http://doenumber2.4t.com/index.htm
175 posted on 06/12/2002 9:26:26 AM PDT by Small business person from CA
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To: TankerKC

"The Others Unknown" a book by Stephen Jones.

Stephen Jones, the chief defense counsel for Timothy McVeigh, the first of two men convicted in the tragic 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, lays out a case that McVeigh and Terry Nichols, also convicted in the bombing, did not act alone. In his attempt to defend McVeigh, Jones traveled the globe to turn up every possible scrap of information that might lead him to the "others unknown" cited by the grand jury that heard evidence in the bombing case. Some of the evidence is compelling, including the severed leg that did not match any of the victims; Jones is convinced it belonged to "John Doe number two," an unidentified man credited with planting the bomb in the Murrah Office Building. Jones also lays out a very strong argument that Terry Nichols was in touch with Muslim fundamentalist terrorists in the Philippines and that he asked them to help him build a bomb. But Jones's refusal to break his attorney-client privilege by discussing anything that McVeigh said to him forces the author to walk a tightrope, revealing nothing about his client's role in the bombing while trying to outline the potential involvement of others.

Non-conspiracy buffs may find it far-fetched that the United States government would want to cover up information about the possible involvement of Muslim fundamentalists or white supremacists in the bombing, but Jones has two arguments to support the idea. First, he suggests, the government was trying to cover its tracks for not having heeded various danger signs before the bombing took place. In addition, this was too big and too horrible a crime to go unpunished; it had to be closed without question and with no suspects left at large. For those who are persuaded by Jones's arguments, the chilling question remains: when--and where--will the "others unknown" strike next? --Linda Killian

Book Description
In this startling book, the state-appointed chief defense counsel for Timothy McVeigh argues that to assume that the bombing of the Murrah Office Building in Oklahoma City was merely the work of two "mad bombers" is to ignore the real meaning of the most serious episode of terrorism in American history. Others Unknown does not merely reconstruct the trial. Stephen Jones had access to a vast amount of research material and possesses an insider's understanding of the behind-the-scenes politics..

176 posted on 06/12/2002 9:37:45 AM PDT by buffyt
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To: Small business person from CA
Perfect match IMHO! The more I look at the sketch and Pedilla photo the more I think they are the same person. I think the sketch artist goofed a LITTLE bit on the shape of the face, or maybe it is just at a slightly diff. angle. But the facial features, and the ears are RIGHT ON!
177 posted on 06/12/2002 9:44:43 AM PDT by buffyt
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To: Mitchell
I just did a fast search in Google. Lana Padilla is Terry Nichols' ex-wife.

If I remember correctly, Nichols' wife was Malasian,
or, at least, East Asian.

Jose Padilla originally is from Puerto Rico, I believe.

178 posted on 06/12/2002 11:45:08 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: TankerKC
Really, it could be anyone...

1) John Doe #2
2) Vicente Padilla, Phillies starting pitcher
3) Jose Padilla

179 posted on 06/12/2002 12:18:50 PM PDT by ItsBacon
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To: Clovis_Skeptic
From previous post: He more than likely is a CIA asset then.

Reply to previous post by CS: why would the CIA blow up a federal building?

To set up white milita types or???

Myself: Remember, the FBI had a big office in that building. So do you still have to ask?

Seriously though. Some say it was a sting operation on militant types that went wrong. The bomb was never supposed to go off.

See: http://members.aol.com/bardonia2/oklahoma.htm I have no idea who the author of that site is. I just found that trying to look up info.

180 posted on 06/12/2002 12:52:29 PM PDT by Small business person from CA
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