CHRISTIAN MARTYRDOM: THE UNTOLD MIDDLE EASTERN CRISIS

Chronicles Magazine ^ | 6.10.02 | Srdja Trifkovic

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

This is true. I was on a thread last night with a Freeper who is a closet Muslim. He won't admit to it but on his homepage he states that "Islam will rejuvenate Christianity in its moral decline." These really are the plans they have for us. When I replied to him questioning the veracity of Islam and the fact that I would never submit to it, he had my post removed. I hate to see what he would do to me in person for 'failing to submit'.

[firewalk]

Thanks for the ping, bump to read a little later! (-:

[dennisw]

Muslims submit to Allah and they in turn expect you to submit to them. Bunch of Allah wannabees.

[F16Fighter]

Your Muslim "friend" best illustrates a world of which Islam is the dominant world religion and political force -- AN OPPRESSIVE HELL ON EARTH...

Islam has given nothing, nada, zilch to America; Muslims refuse to shed any blood for America (remember Mohammad Ali), nor have they ever in the name of freedom on behalf the U.S.A

The unsaid truth of the matter: A "Moslem-American" is an oxymoron.

[DTA]

please bookmark this

and this for further reading

MiddleEastern Jews and Christians, Serbs, Hindus have more than 500 years of experience with those issues. After reading, you might ask yourself: Why US still supports radical islamists in Kosovo and Bosnia? (there is no oil there)

[RaceBannon]

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[tictoc]

The peace solution for Israel and Palestine is for all Muslims to be evicted from Israel and the Occupied Territories. Then in the West Bank and Nazareth an Arab Christian state needs to be established welcoming Palestinian Christians back and providing a place of refuge for Iraqi Christians and others.

The small country of Lebanon was a (majority) Arab Christian state. Beirut was the jewel and the premier capital of the Middle East before the Muslims took over. If we in the West had had some real gumption we would never have allowed this to happen.

Reagan was a great president who faced down the Soviets and reversed a great deal of socialist inroads in the U.S., but in my opinion he really dropped the ball in pulling the Marines out of Beirut in 1982 (1983?) after the truck bombing killed hundreds of our troops.

So far, the Muslims have been winning, winning, and winning. Only tiny Israel is putting up spirited resistance.

[tictoc]

And furthermore, it would be great if certain Christians could acknowledge that nothing the Israelis do in the West Bank to Christian shrines comes close to the oppression that Christians suffer there at the hands of Muslims.

And furthermore furthermore ... it would be even greater if the Goldhagen/Foxman type of hysterical Jew granted to the Christians their own space and respected their grief over the suffering of Christians in the Middle East, without protesting that such remembrance tarnishes the memory of the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews. As the Jewish Weekly Review wrote recently, some Jews "need to grow thicker skin".

[Siobhan]

And furthermore, it would be great if certain Christians could acknowledge that nothing the Israelis do in the West Bank to Christian shrines comes close to the oppression that Christians suffer there at the hands of Muslims.

It is not merely the destruction of a Christian shrine, tictoc. It is the Israeli penchant for denying Palestinian Christians rights from building homes to the right of travel that is a serious problem on the same order as the Egyptian identity cards and the systematic denial of jobs to Coptic Christians by the Muslims. Arab Christians are third-class citizens at best whether the nation is Egypt or Israel.

On another subject: The destruction of Lebanon as it was is one of the great tragedies of the twentieth century. Beirut was a jewel. I remember it well.

[tictoc]

Arab Christians are third-class citizens at best whether the nation is Egypt or Israel

I doubt that.

I listened to a feature the other day on German radio (not known for being friendly to Israel). The subject was an Israeli Arab citizen, who is a top executive with Bank Leumi, Israel's biggest bank. He lives in a big house and he and his family are doing quite well for themselves. While he had complaints about the status of Christian Arab citizens in Israel, he said that he preferred being an Israeli citizen a million times over living in a Muslim-ruled Palestine.

[philosofy123]

You are correct about living in Israel, under the rule of laws is much better than any of the Arab countries. However, you must not fool yourself by thinking that a Jewish Israeli citizen is equal to an Arab one. Again Christian Arabs are misstreated by both the Moslems and the Jews, though not as bad from the Jewish side.

[Ed_in_NJ]

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[SunkenCiv]

stumbled across this topic, and the two quoted below, quite by accident, please forgive the intrusion:

The Real History of the Crusades ^
			Posted by RebelDawg On News/Activism ^ 05/29/2002 6:43:31 PM PDT with 46 comments crisismagazine ^ | April 1, 2002 | Thomas F. Madden The Real History of the CrusadesBy Thomas F. MaddenWith the possible exception of Umberto Eco, medieval scholars are not used to getting much media attention. We tend to be a quiet lot (except during the annual bacchanalia we call the International Congress on Medieval Studies in Kalamazoo, Michigan, of all places), poring over musty chronicles and writing dull yet meticulous studies that few will read. Imagine, then, my surprise when within days of the September 11 attacks, the Middle Ages suddenly became relevant.As a Crusade historian, I found the tranquil solitude of the ivory tower shattered by journalists, editors, and...
The Crusades in the Checkout Aisle: CRUSADES NONSENSE FROM U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT ^
			Posted by Dr. Brian Kopp On News/Activism ^ 04/12/2002 9:28:57 PM PDT with 25 comments CRISIS Magazine - e-Letter ^ | April 12, 2002 The Crusades in the Checkout Aisle Thomas F. Madden When I spied the U.S. News & World Report with the Crusades splashed across its cover, I braced for the worst. As a crusade historian, I long ago learned not to expect accuracy on this subject from the popular media. In fact, I usually avoid newspaper and magazine articles on the Crusades altogether, if only to keep my blood pressure under control. But there it was, staring me in the face. I had to read it. First, the good news. The article, written by Andrew Curry, was not dreadful. Curry did...

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[Salvation]

To read later.

[Ciexyz]

Most interesting, and frightening, read.

[4CJ]

So what is the truth about the Crusades? ... They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.

Thanks for the ping. Islam is NOT a peaceful religion.