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To: Gore_ War_ Vet
Let me recall for you the circumstances under which the four poor little unarmed scum got what was coming to them while nine others were fortunate enough to merely be wounded or crippled. They got a good taste of what their generational moral superiors were up against in Vietnam but only a small taste.

The National Guardsmen in question had been called up weeks before and were separated from their families dealing with violence associated with a Teamsters' strike in Ohio in which snipers had been shooting at non-union truckers from overpasses. When Governor Jim Rhodes was ready to send them home, the sniveling leftist punks at Kent State burned their ROTC building to the ground. Rhodes apparently talked to Nixon and discussed appropriate response and decided to send in the National Guard.

The punks defied the National Guard as though their campus was some sort of legal sanctuary. I was a law student at the time in the northeast. For years, the campus Cong had escalated their tactics and gotten away with it again and again. Only Reagan met their pretentious defiance with naked force (over occupation of a soccer field at Berserkely by student radicals trying to substitute their judgment for that of the college trustees. They tangled with the wrong governor in Ohio in Jim Rhodes, a "moderate" Republican at the time.

The Scranton Commission and the other fashionable upper class and upper middle class clueless who Monday-morning quarterbacked their way into laying the blame on the guard to spare the feelings of the Americong and their clueless mommies and daddies and whitewashing the punks did what they were expected to do: blame the guys whose backsides were on the line. I will never believe other than that a string of salutes were set off by provacateurs in the crowd, triggering the National Guard to protect themselves by firing into the crowd.

As to Alison Krausse, sob, sob, if her mommy and daddy had taken the trouble to bring her up with civil behavior as one of her characteristics, maybe she wouldn't have been part of a crowd that marched on Guardsmen who were armed with rifles. Or if she had been brought up to be realistic. Or pragmatic or anything but suicidally revolutionary. Marching on armed Guardsmen left Guardsmen no choice but to flee (thankfully not likely) or protect themselves which is thankfully the option they chose. One can be sorry that the students shot at Kent State had no more sense than to be defiant little revolutionaries with nada to back them up and were therefore shot, without being sorry that, under the circumstances, they were shot.

There is very little whining and never was about students shot at a black college (Jackson State) in Mississippi the same day in larger numbers while IN THEIR DORMITORIES and not while threatening to overrun National Guardsmen, but Alison Krausse was so white (like me), so middle class (like me), so misguided. How could those fascist beasts kill poor Alison for playing revolutionary games???? How could she know that the Guard would take the students seriously? Her behavior and the behavior of the entire mob of spoiled little "revolutionaries" throwing a temper tantrum over their will being thwarted by the elected president of the United States was the functional equivalent of toddlers playing in the middle of a busy intertsate highway. The whining about their fate equals the negligent parents blaming motorists for the fate of the toddlers except that these were college students (after a fashion) and not toddlers.

Ignorance may well be bliss but I would suggest strongly to you that the ignorance is yours. I don't care if Alison Krausse or any of the other casualties was your sister or your friend. I had plenty of friends involved in similar activity, all their deaths would have done would have been to stir a bit of emotion in the nature of regret that I had not tried hard enough to protect them by convincing them to drop the fashionable Americong stupidity and criminality that got them shot.

I do notice that the student "revolution" died nationally that day on the field at Kent State so I guess that the campus Cong must have decided therefter that revolutionary role-playing was not worth the price if the adults were going to act like adults for a change.

There also was one fatality of a mid-30s math graduate student and veteran who was killed when the red punks blew up the math building at University of Wisconsin at Madison but no one is crying for him either. Just road kill of the "revolution."

The United States lost a war because of the aid and comfort rendered to its enemies by this trash. Real men with less fashionable lives were killed in Vietnam, suffered as POWs, were maimed and crippled for what this trash regarded as the "crime" of opposing their communist ambitions and those of their allies in Hanoi.

I only regret that their professors and role models like Hanoi Jane Fonda, William Sloane Coffin, Jr., Dr. Benjamin Spock, and the rest of the leadership slime were not at the head of the crowd on the field at Kent State to take the first bullets. They stayed safe while moving Alison Krausse and the other wind tunnel marionettes around the field against the Guard. If you would care to answer me back, I'll tell you what I really think.

292 posted on 06/11/2002 10:56:52 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
I guess the best way to demonstrate my ignorance is to try to debate a lawyer, who by definition is accustomed to ignoring the facts, personal attacks, misdirection, twisting the truth and defending the indefensible.

I cannot hope to match a lawyer in prose but I wanted to respond to some of your comments, mostly because they were so well written.

Let me recall for you the circumstances under which the four poor little unarmed scum got what was coming to them while nine others were fortunate enough to merely be wounded or crippled. They got a good taste of what their generational moral superiors were up against in Vietnam but only a small taste.

Two of the four unarmed scum that were killed were innocent bystanders not participating in the rally that was being held. I do not mean to concede that exercising your first amendment rights to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly by attending an anti-war rally is a capital crime.

The National Guardsmen in question had been called up weeks before and were separated from their families dealing with violence associated with a Teamsters' strike in Ohio in which snipers had been shooting at non-union truckers from overpasses.

What is the relevance of this statement? Is there some sort of justification or excuse for shooting unarmed students exercising their first amendment rights in the fact that snipers shot at truckers?

The Scranton Commission and the other fashionable upper class and upper middle class clueless who Monday-morning quarterbacked their way into laying the blame on the guard to spare the feelings of the Americong and their clueless mommies and daddies and whitewashing the punks did what they were expected to do: blame the guys whose backsides were on the line.

Somebody had to take a fall for this obvious travesty. Who better than the shooters?

I will never believe other than that a string of salutes were set off by provacateurs in the crowd, triggering the National Guard to protect themselves by firing into the crowd.

Did Miss Cleo tell you that?
Source please?

I don't care if Alison Krausse or any of the other casualties was your sister or your friend.

I see you're the sensitive type. This statement defines you!

I do notice that the student "revolution" died nationally that day on the field at Kent State so I guess that the campus Cong must have decided therefter that revolutionary role-playing was not worth the price if the adults were going to act like adults for a change.

BS this was the day that the government lost the support of the silent majority and could no longer prosecute the war.

I'll tell you what I really think.

Please don't!

PS: I feel as strong about the criminal shootings at JSU.


315 posted on 06/15/2002 6:09:46 AM PDT by Gore_ War_ Vet
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