Liberation by the Veil (Why Islamic Women are Content.)

Jannah ^ | FR Post 6-8-2 | Sehmina Jaffer Chopra

[nickcarraway]

The Muslim critique of modern, secular, Western culture has many valid and irrefutable points.

But their are absolutely no valid critiques of Muslim culture? (And the only critiques of it are from atheism?)

[nickcarraway]

Feminism is our cultural wallpapering.

Maybe yours. Don't speak for all of us.

No, I think that the average Muslim woman might take a pass on the "paradise" built for them by Gloria Steinem, Larry Flynt, Planned Parenthood, and Cosmopolitan.

And you think you have to be Muslim to pass on these types. Sorry, not everyone in the United States falls into your stereotype.

[nickcarraway]

ping to E. Michael Jones discussion.

[BlackVeil]

"E. Michael Jones ... just finished one called Degenerate Moderns" I have read that. Most interesting - not that I agree with him entirely, but I like his through research and clear arguments. I put a chapter from his book on the reading list for the students at my University.

[BlackVeil]

" Please tell me where Catholic women live in a veiled culture that prohibits them from leaving the house unaccompanied by a male ... " You need to research the history of Hispanic cultures and look at - their dress codes - crimes of "passion" - position of women etc. In rural Spain, some women only abandoned the headcovering in recent times, and some haven't at all. Some Catholic women of Mediterranean Europe maintain their traditional codes of dress, and believe that it is compatible with dignity and the abandonment of retrograde customs of male domination.

[BlackVeil]

Great pics!

[drstevej]

***" Please tell me where Catholic women live in a veiled culture that prohibits them from leaving the house unaccompanied by a male ... " ***

I didn't see a response to this point. All you mention is where veils are worn, which misses goldenstategirl's question entirely. Care to try again????

[BlackVeil]

Traditionally, Spanish and Portuguese women had restricted movements, including not leaving the house without a chaperone. Same in some other sectors of Mediterranean society (Italy, Greece etc.) Naturally, as in contemporary Islamic societies, these rules did not apply to the poor, as peasant women have to go out and work every day.

[conservativemusicteacher]

You wrote: Lets face it, Islam is very inequitable to women. Again, you are confusing a religion, spanning every continent and every race and every culture, with one particular culture. Since your topic is inequity, you ought to be informed before inequitably pointing an accusing finger at one fourth of the world's population. I'm not confused. In Islam, even in the USA, the Religion IS the Culture. And it is true everywhere.

[Cultural Jihad]

Cute. You ran to papa and had a benign comment of mine removed.

Perhaps you think you know better than the moderator of the forum? You are free to complain to have your "benign" comment reposted.

[Cultural Jihad]

Do you think that Catholics and/or women should be allowed to use this forum. Please elaborate. Thanks.

LOL! Your statement would be akin to me asking you: "Do you think little green men of Mars have ten fingers on each hand and drive blue Toyota trucks? Please elaborate. Thanks."

[drstevej]

Poverty is freedom!

[nickcarraway]

LOL! Your statement would be akin to me asking you: "Do you think little green men of Mars have ten fingers on each hand and drive blue Toyota trucks? Please elaborate. Thanks."

How so? You believe Catholics and women don't exist?

[nickcarraway]

How come you are allowed to have your religious position and she's not?

[Cultural Jihad]

How come you are allowed to have your religious position and she's not?

Who besides you is claiming she's not allowed to have a religious opinion, or that the deleted post was merely a stating of benign religious position which did not violate forum rules? Asuming you are being serious rather than merely derisive or flippant, you will need to address your concerns to the moderators who enforce the rules, and not to me.

President Bush has stated that we are not at war with Islam, but rather with terrorists who happen to be using Islam as a cover for their terrorism. If you think you know better than President Bush on how to conduct the affairs of state, then throw your hat into the ring, and go for it.

[nickcarraway]

President Bush has stated that we are not at war with Islam, but rather with terrorists who happen to be using Islam as a cover for their terrorism. If you think you know better than President Bush on how to conduct the affairs of state, then throw your hat into the ring, and go for it.

Exactly, where on this thread did anyone say that we were at war with Islam? Assuming you are being serious rather than merely derisive or flippant, you will need to address your concerns to something that I, or someone else, actually said, instead of making things up no one said. (And learn how to spell)

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

You'll notice that virtually none of the questions posted by either of us were answered. That's because to answer them truthfully would be self-incriminating. It's much easier to dodge the questions and hide behind counterattacks and diversion.

[nickcarraway]

Who besides you is claiming she's not allowed to have a religious opinion, or that the deleted post was merely a stating of benign religious position which did not violate forum rules?

You had her post deleted merely because she refused to convert your religion? You haven't even made clear what religion you are, or, if you are even a different religion from her.

[nickcarraway]

LOL! Your statement would be akin to me asking you: "Do you think little green men of Mars have ten fingers on each hand and drive blue Toyota trucks? Please elaborate. Thanks." How so? You believe Catholics and women don't exist?

[BlackVeil]

In a way, poverty (that is the need for subsistence labour) does allow certain types of freedom for women. That is because the customs which reduce women to objects - such as purdah, footbinding, corseting, - etc. are all habits of the wealthy. They then tend to become signs of prestige and proliferate downward in society.