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To: Greeklawyer
Eliminate teacher tenure?

1. It takes 3-4 years to get enough experience for a new teacher to really know the job and learn to deal with the many situations that come up daily. Perputally new teachers, will create chaos and experience should be valued. (Bad teachers need to be removed but that's common sense and most school districts can remove poor teachers.)

2. Who weeds out the bad home schooling parents? (Yes, there are people who have no business teaching anything to anyone remember this is a 12 year adventure and many people don't have that kind of determination!) I've seen parents who home school and produce kids who learn almost nothing after 12 years. The example I have in mind is a mom who probably works as a teacher 1 day per week and the kids play most of the time. She has too many hobies to spend time teaching her kids.

3. My opinion is that if the home schoolers would use their energy to clean up the local school boards we'd go much farther along the way to get better schools. Here in California where I live the parental input is about ZERO and the administrators have very fertile ground to push their social agenda. Home schoolers who drop out rob the system of the energy to possibily clean up the mess.

26 posted on 06/08/2002 8:29:30 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
"BeAllYouCanBe" intoned. . .
Eliminate teacher tenure?
Love to. But it's not likely we'll see it. I expect to see both Elvis AND all my Social Security Taxes before I see teacher tenure revoked. . .

Who weeds out the bad home schooling parents?
Who weeds out the bad teachers ??

And as for changing the school boards, and getting the Board to change things, the recent experience of Prince George's County, Maryland is instructive. A fairly conservative school board was elected, and then tried to fire the ineffective and extreme-liberal superintendent.

The Sup whined to the State of Maryland, which overturned the school board's firing, abolished the elected school board, and appointed a new one. But the Supe isn't the Supe anymore: she's now CEO of the PG County schools. . .

27 posted on 06/08/2002 8:38:23 AM PDT by Salgak
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
"Here in California where I live the parental input is about ZERO. . ."

That just might be because those in charge of the schools do not really care about what parents say. They may say they do, but there are just too many stories circulating about that schools could care less about parents. The parents are, after all, not teachers, so what could they know about raising children?
31 posted on 06/08/2002 9:15:29 AM PDT by DennisR
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
I don't let the state clothe my children. I don't let the state feed my children. I don't let the state house my children. Why ever would I let the state educate my children!?

It is not just that the welfare schools are a mess and that they are indoctrination centers for amoral values and leftist ideaology, it is that they are a form of socialism. Socialism is evil in all of its forms.

You can clean up your welfare school program all you want. But until it is entirely privatized, it is socialism and my children and I will not participate.

32 posted on 06/08/2002 9:20:37 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
3. My opinion is that if the home schoolers would use their energy to clean up the local school boards we'd go much farther along the way to get better schools.

Sorry to disagree to this reasonable viewpoint, but the ship is sinking and the time for bailing water is gone. Now is time to save as many kids as possible by getting them into the life boats of home school, charter schools, vouchers and private schoools.

Yes, it is scarier and more work than the giant luxury liner, but in the lifeboat there is a chance of survival. We don't want our kids to go down with the ship of fools who can't see the ship is going under more rapidly with each passing day.

And since the crew won't even admit the ship is sinking, I'm taking my family off the boat to avoid drowning in a sea of ignorance.

36 posted on 06/08/2002 9:33:05 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
3. My opinion is that if the home schoolers would use their energy to clean up the local school boards we'd go much farther along the way to get better schools.

What would be the point of that? The whole concept of warehouse schooling is flawed; it does little good to tinker with the details.

44 posted on 06/08/2002 1:49:05 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
Home schoolers who drop out rob the system of the energy to possibily clean up the mess.

They dont owe anything to the system in the first place for you to make a logical claim that they are robbing the system. Furthermore, their competition will go much further towards improving public schools than being victimized and sending their children to be victimized in a public school. Child crusades dont work.

58 posted on 06/09/2002 10:30:31 AM PDT by PuNcH
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