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Case holds interest of Jehovah's Witnesses
Arizona Star ^ | June 8, 2002 | Stephanie Innes

Posted on 06/08/2002 3:28:28 AM PDT by sarcasm

Jehovah's Witnesses are waiting with interest for a U.S. Supreme Court decision expected this month that could affect their ability to continue with door-to-door visits - a cornerstone of the faith.

At issue is a lawsuit filed by the Jehovah's Witness denomination nationwide challenging an Ohio village's ordinance requiring people going door-to-door to first obtain a free permit and register their names with the local government. Tucson does not impose such restrictions.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe they should be allowed to go door-to-door without the interference of government.

"It's a freedom-of-religion issue,'' said Gilberto Valencia, a 59-year-old electronics salesman from Litchfield Park who is in Tucson this weekend for the second of five regional Jehovah's Witness conventions.

"Jesus told us to go to the farthest parts of the Earth to preach the Bible. We take the good news to people and show them what Jesus taught. . . . We're confident everything will work out.''

In 1998, the 300 residents of Stratton, Ohio, passed an ordinance that requires anyone interested in going door-to-door to "sell, advertise, promote or explain any product, service, organization or cause" to first obtain a free permit. The Stratton ordinance does not single out anyone or any group by name, and no one has ever been turned down for a permit.

Proponents say the ordinance does not hinder freedom of religion because it applies equally to all groups, religious or otherwise. Opponents say the ordinance hinders their freedom of religion by requiring them to obtain a license to share it.

"From our vantage point it's about freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of the press,'' said Paul Polidoro, associate general counsel for the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc., the Jehovah's Witness corporation challenging the ordinance.

Freedom of the press refers to the ability of Jehovah's Witness adherents to distribute literature when they are going through neighborhoods. Polidoro argues the ordinance would prevent anyone else from giving out printed material door-to-door without a permit.

The case is being watched by cities and towns across the country that have passed ordinances to protect residents from uninvited guests - including people who proselytize. Proponents argue solicitors do not have the right to remain anonymous while on private property.

Jehovah's Witnesses like Valencia, however, say a better solution would be for residents to post "no trespassing" signs on their property, which he says Jehovah's Witness adherents always respect.

A high court ruling against them could prove an interesting challenge for Jehovah's Witnesses, who regard civil authority as necessary and obey it, "as long as its laws do not contradict God's law." But they also say the current case before the U.S. Supreme Court is putting their religious liberty in question.

"We want to cooperate with the government to the best of our ability,'' said Barry Mish-kind, a spokesman for the local Jehovah's Witness news service. About 6,500 Jehovah's Witnesses live in Southern Arizona, including Tucson.

Jehovah's Witnesses pay taxes, but they don't vote, salute the flag or participate in secular government. And in countries with mandatory military service, they are often jailed for refusing to serve.

"We are answering to a higher source than local authorities,'' said Richard Varón, a 38-year-old Tucsonan who works in the construction industry and spends an average of 70 hours a month going door-to-door to share his religion. "We're confident that there will be continued support for freedom of religion.''

The Jehovah's Witness name comes from the book of Isaiah - " 'Ye are my witness,' saith Jehovah." Adherents believe each Witness should share God's word in the Bible, which is why they go door-to-door around the world offering biblical literature. They read a version of the Bible called the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, published by the corporation under which they work.

Many join the faith because of the home visits. Varón, for example, indirectly became an adherent because of a door-to-door visit paid to his mother in New Jersey in the 1960s. His mother had been raised Catholic but switched to Jehovah's Witness after some members came to her door and read the Bible with her.

The Supreme Court has previously found that requiring religious groups to be licensed was a violation of their constitutional rights and, because the law allowed the state to determine what constituted a religion, also a violation of the Establishment of Religion Clause of the First Amendment.

This weekend's Jehovah's Witness convention at the Tucson Convention Center is for Spanish speakers, as is next weekend's program. Two more programs scheduled for July are in English. The conventions are expected to attract nearly 8,000 people each weekend.


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1 posted on 06/08/2002 3:28:28 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
When someone comes to my door, I want to see some credentials and am comforted to know that at least the local government knows (or has an idea) who these people are. Just because someone says they are JW, doesn't mean they are who they say they are. The law exists for nuisances and safety in your own home. It is actually a safeguard for them, too. Don't all people, including religious groups, have to have a license to organize public rallys? What is the difference?
2 posted on 06/08/2002 3:50:45 AM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: sarcasm
This issue is not properly cast as a 'freedom of religion,' 'freedom of the press,' or 'freedom of speech' issue. Why not? Becuase the ordinance is neutral with respect to religion, and because a permit is always granted to anyone who applies.

However, the ordinance does require a permit in order to exercise a person's inalienable right to both Liberty and Freedom of Association--an impermissible infringement, in spite of the fact that the permit is always granted. The ordinance also requires that a person waive his right to Privacy as a condition to being allowed to exercise his right to Liberty and Freedom of Association--yet another impermissible infringement.

As the article mentions, posting a "no tresspassing" sign is the rightful way to criminalize unwanted visitors.

3 posted on 06/08/2002 4:03:12 AM PDT by sourcery
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To: Jaidyn
Congress shall make no law resecting an establishment of religion, or prohibting the free exercise thereof; Sounds clear to me.
4 posted on 06/08/2002 4:07:59 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner
I can see that you have never had a family member involved in this cult. My oldest daughter ,several years ago married into it.They brainwashed her. Plain and simple.She was married to this fellow for ten years.More heartache than I can describe ,because it involved three little grandchildren ,who celebrated no holidays with their cousins ,aunts ,uncles ,grandparents.No holidays.They have since divorced. Thank God.I don't want a Jehovas Witness within 100 foot of my door.
5 posted on 06/08/2002 4:21:10 AM PDT by Disgusted in Texas
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To: riverrunner
Congress shall make no law resecting an establishment of religion, or prohibting the free exercise thereof; Sounds clear to me.

Me too. This law does not prohibit the free exercise of religion. That is just a side effect. This law has a side effect of slowing down the work of those seeking conversions, but so do laws against speeding while driving to the houses of people you want to convert.

Despite the above, I believe this to a bad and even idiotic law.

Folks, the Jehovah's Witnesses are rather lacking in patriotism, so I wouldn't feel too sorry for their being inconvenienced.

6 posted on 06/08/2002 4:24:12 AM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: sarcasm
The sad part is that this law is required at all. It seems that once the government, at least here in the Liberal LA-LA Land called the State of Connecticut, has taken away our right to protect our property, now they feel compelled to "Protect Us" from the bad people. Basically, here in Connecticut, if I was to answer the door with my shotgun over my shoulder, not actually pointed at anyone, just there. I would get arrested for “Threatening”.

Never mind actually using it to protect your property, or your life. If the prosecutor can convince a jury, and under Connecticut Law it is spelled out clearly, that if I had a means of escape without using deadly force and choose deadly force instead, I get prison time. The case law suggests that if you live on a ground floor, you have "Ample and Sufficent means by which to escape from an intruder".

7 posted on 06/08/2002 4:31:12 AM PDT by MrNeutron1962
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To: Disgusted in Texas
I know several people that are Jehovah's Witnesses not that I agree with them. But when they come to my door I tell them to go away. I am not interisted. The same with sales people ect. If your daughter was not smart or strong enough take care of her self to bad. Some people no matter what you tell them or how bad it is for them do not learn. I for one do not need big brother helping me keep people from my door.
8 posted on 06/08/2002 4:34:45 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner
the free excercise thereof does not entitle them to trespass. They can practice any thing they believe but so can I and I don't believe they have the right to proselytize on my property!!
9 posted on 06/08/2002 5:20:01 AM PDT by GeorgeHL
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To: riverrunner
I can also see that I have the right to not be bothered by anyone that I DO NOT WANT KNOCKING ON MY DOOR!!!!!!! Especially lunatics that do not believe in fight for the very country that protects their sorry asses!
10 posted on 06/08/2002 5:28:35 AM PDT by Lonman219
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To: Lonman219
I'll loan you my favorite line ... when they come to your door, and they announce they are JW, reply, "No you're not!" ... and enjoy the amazed look ... PRICELESS! &;-)
11 posted on 06/08/2002 5:33:04 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: sarcasm
requiring people going door-to-door to first obtain a free permit

would that mean that the jbts and leos with no warrents would have to get a permit before they ...... oops...NO KNOCK entry .... nevermind

12 posted on 06/08/2002 5:43:38 AM PDT by THEUPMAN
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To: Disgusted in Texas
Let's see ... they don't believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, St. Valentine, Ghosts/Goblins and a special day of Thanksgiving instead everyday being a day of Thanksgiving. They believe the creator should be honored over the creation. That the day of a person's death was more celebrated than the day of a person's birth...that the outcome was more important than the beginning.

There is merit to their belief's regarding the holidays.

13 posted on 06/08/2002 5:46:21 AM PDT by Texas Yellow Rose
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To: sourcery
However, the ordinance does require a permit in order to exercise a person's inalienable right to both Liberty and Freedom of Association--an impermissible infringement, in spite of the fact that the permit is always granted. The ordinance also requires that a person waive his right to Privacy as a condition to being allowed to exercise his right to Liberty and Freedom of Association--yet another impermissible infringement.

Exactly right. Allowing the government the power to give the permit gives them the right to deny the permit. If they can't deny the permit, there is no reason to have the permit at all. If you don't want people soliciting or trespassing, put up a sign. It is that simple. The power to regulate is the power to destroy.

14 posted on 06/08/2002 6:01:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: sarcasm
Jehovah's Witnesses should have a permit for going door-to-door when SWAT teams stop kicking down those same doors and shooting innocent people.

Are we supposed to feel SAFER if the gov knows who is knocking on doors? Gimme a break...

Although I despise the JW's beliefs and practices, they do have the right to do what they do. People who whine and complain to the city "fathers" to "do something" instead of just putting up a NO TRESPASSING sign on their property are nothing more than dependent sniveling idiots. The same goes for those who want laws passed against telemarketers - just hang up the damn phone, you freaking wuss!

It's amazing how some people claim to support smaller government, then advocate laws against something so trivial...

15 posted on 06/08/2002 6:16:18 AM PDT by pocat
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To: pocat
You must not get very many telemarketing calls. I do hang up on the pests and I do close the door to solicitors. I haven't gotten a 'no tresspassing' sign yet, but will. I also said 'local government' in my post, not federal or Supreme Court. Having a soliciting permit is not a religious statement but a safety arrangement for both parties. As you said, it is only a trivial matter and my panties are not in a knot over the issue.
16 posted on 06/08/2002 6:38:11 AM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: Jaidyn
better check your city ordinances first..you might not be allowed to put up a sign on your front lawn...i stopped them from coming to my house early saturday mornings a few years ago..i worked nights and was tired of having my door knocked on very early every saturday..i got tired of being polite and humoring them..one saturday morning around 7:30 i heard a car stop and looked out the window..sure enough it was a bunch of jw's ... i quickly undressed down to my jockey's and popped a beer and answered the door that way..invited the young lady in and she couldn't hand me the books and get away from my door fast enough.....never came back either.
17 posted on 06/08/2002 6:52:04 AM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: cajun-jack
I'm glad you mentioned signs. I don't think we are allowed to have signs in our yards except for campaign signs that have a specific amount of time attached to them and for sale or rent signs. No one is being violated by letting someone know you are out and about in town.
18 posted on 06/08/2002 8:04:02 AM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: sarcasm
Soon as you put a "no trespassing" sign on your property, the youngsters in the neighborhood take it as an invitation to make mischief on your land after the sun goes down.
19 posted on 06/08/2002 8:48:26 AM PDT by 3catsanadog
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