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To: blam
Not only that, but there was also a great deal more intra-American trade than is commonly understood, and that would negate the idea of group isolation having prevented pandemic in the past. It would also explain a more homogeneous set of cultural beliefs that overlaid language distinctions. Therein may be a clue.

No, a sudden pandemic just doesn't make sense to me, but disease may have been a factor in the final stages. My intuition (and I will admit that it is all I have here) tells me that the decline of Amerindian civilization had probably started long before Columbus with war and religion being the primary cause. Remember too that the cultures we are talking about were "death oriented" (cannibalism, child sacrifice, etc.) in their latter stages, much the same as many cultures incapable of maintaining populations (Minoans). What would really be amusing would be to find out that the interjection of Indo/European/Babylonian paganism (note the similarities in glyphs, architecture, and rites) led to gradual population decline, much as we see in the counter-JudeoChristian amoral eco-culture today.

Just musing.

29 posted on 06/07/2002 7:15:31 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
I have a lot of questions that I would like to have answers for but, they're to numerous to get into tonight. I'll toss out a couple:

1. Why do we only know about plagues in Europe. Were there no plagues in the Americas?

2. We always assume that the diseases travelled in only one direction. Why?

3. The tree ring data recorded a worldwide event in 540AD that is thought to have begun the Dark Ages in Europe. Why not a Dark Ages in other places. Was the Dark Ages called such because it was in fact darker worldwide? (atomspheric veil?)

32 posted on 06/07/2002 8:19:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: Carry_Okie
What would really be amusing would be to find out that the interjection of Indo/European/Babylonian paganism (note the similarities in glyphs, architecture, and rites) led to gradual population decline, much as we see in the counter-JudeoChristian amoral eco-culture today.

hilarious
95 posted on 06/03/2006 3:18:20 PM PDT by S0122017
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To: Carry_Okie; blam

Although considerable trade occurred within North America and Mesoamerica (and some trade with South America) before the European conquest, the population of the New World had only a few brief contacts with the population of the Old World. All these contacts involved the Vikings, a high-latitude population quite isolated from the rest of European society and thus not susceptible to European diseases.

Europe itself had suffered mightily at the hands of disease, particularly during the terrible fourteenth century, which brought the Little Ice Age, Great Famine, and Black Death. The Black Death remains probably the second deadliest plague in world history, eclipsed in sheer number of fatalities only by the 1918 Spanish influenza. These calamities radically reduced the European population and effectively ended the relative prosperity of the High Middle Ages.

The great mound builders in America might have suffered internal strife and problems associated with shifting climates. Most historians believe that native societies began to decline somewhat before European contact. But that constant contact brought terrible diseases that assumed epidemic proportions if they spread beyond their ports of entry. Because the native populations had almost no prior contact with European or Asian societies for the previous several thousand years, this repeated disease exposures surely decimated native societies even more than similar diseases ravaged Europe.

Perhaps we can find somewhat of an analogy in the 1918 Spanish influenza. The disease killed hundreds of thousands of Americans; however, it claimed perhaps one hundred million lives globally. India lost fully five percent of its population despite significant exposure to European diseases over the previous century. Perhaps the worst-affected place was tiny Brevig Mission, Alaska, which lost 85% of its population--mostly Eskimos with almost no exposure to the diseases of temperate urban Western civilization.

And let us not forget that the Europeans brought numerous dreaded diseases with them, often simultaneously, not just a single disease like the terrible Black Death or Spanish influenza. People who successfully fight one disease might remain physically and mentally weakened years after beginning recovery and struggling with grief over the loss of family. The more debilitating diseases would leave many disabled individuals who could not contribute to the agricultural economy, leading to famine. Weak persons with compromised immune systems and weakened or damaged organs frequently fall victim to disease. Native American populations could not develop immunity to every European disease without first contacting all of them, with the possible exception of smallpox, for which an inoculation (vaccine) existed.


104 posted on 06/03/2006 4:21:17 PM PDT by dufekin
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