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To: donh
I hate to keep uselessly trying to burst this bubble, but no one's speculations, however couched in apparent mathematical rigor, is science. Science is a heavily co-operative enterprise that works extremely hard, extremely publicly, extremely methodically, to hammer out a current concensus about what we think is going on, based on critically designed experiments and field work--see "Nature" or "Science News" and the refereed technical journals, do NOT see random compilations of speculations no matter how august the speculator.

What we are having is a dispute about a definition. You are defining science as "a heavily co-operative enterprise etc." and citing Nature and other journals as the arbitrator of what falls under that definition.

I will give you a layman's view. When Francis Crick invokes space aliens as the cause of life on earth because spontaneous development would be impossible-- the science has fallen. I'd say the benchmark is the space aliens.

Kindly supply the proof you have been ducking for 100 posts that abiogenesis could only have happened by the sudden spontaneous formation of a prokariote.

I've given you links to mathematical calculations from respected sources showing the impossibility of the spontaneous formation of life. I'll confess I can't do better.

629 posted on 06/15/2002 9:46:09 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
I will give you a layman's view. When Francis Crick invokes space aliens as the cause of life on earth because spontaneous development would be impossible-- the science has fallen. I'd say the benchmark is the space aliens.

Yes, that would indeed be the view of a layman. However, we do not consult the views of laymen to determine scientific issues, we consult the views of our best specialized scientists as expressed rigorously in the technical journals of their specialization--and nowhere in that venue has abiogenesis fallen. In precise point of fact, in its proper venue, with Woese's work, abiogenesis is a newly healthy subject, after being moribund for some time.

630 posted on 06/15/2002 10:26:38 PM PDT by donh
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To: Tribune7
I've given you links to mathematical calculations from respected sources showing the impossibility of the spontaneous formation of life. I'll confess I can't do better.

Well, actually, you could do better by responding to the substance of my argument, rather than running the car ever deeper into the same rut. The only "respectable sources" in science is where the rubber meets the road in the referreed technical journals.

You have not with this, provided me with a demonstration as to why I should believe that spontaneous generation of a prokariote is the only possible way abiogensis could occur.

632 posted on 06/15/2002 10:38:45 PM PDT by donh
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