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and my contention that you don't know what you need to know to calculate the odds that abiogenesis is impossible, any more than you can calculate the odds that divine intervention is impossible. Both tasks are safely beyond the computational capabilities of finite beings,

In otherwords, it has fallen as a science.

Oh brother. Nooo...now pay attention class--massive computational attempts to look back in history, as proof, has little to do with science, and the obvious failure of such attempts, should they be made, would have no impact whatsoever on science.

Science, reasons by induction on available evidence, even though such evidence will always be appallingly incomplete compared to the exhaustive knowledge it would take to make such computations. And only with exhaustive knowledge could you make such a computation a proof.

Which is why randomly supposing that prokariotes are the start of life, and basing your "computations" on that to dismiss abiogenesis is an appallingly obvious fool's errand.

you: Both tasks are safely beyond the computational capabilities of finite beings

(Me) In otherwords, it has fallen as a science.

(You) Oh brother. Nooo...now pay attention class--massive computational attempts to look back in history, as proof, has little to do with science, and the obvious failure of such attempts, should they be made, would have no impact whatsoever on science.

You are playing games with words here.

Science, reasons by induction on available evidence,

You have that part right. Now, the odds of undirected abiogenesis are at 1 out of 10^2,000,000,000. You want to say it hasn't fallen as a science? While researching life by accident remember to set time aside for turning lead into gold.

Which is why randomly supposing that prokariotes are the start of life, and basing your "computations" on that to dismiss abiogenesis is an appallingly obvious fool's errand.

So we agree that randomly supposing that prokariotes are the start of life has fallen as a science. Or are suggesting there is another hypothesis out there for the accidental occurrance of life?