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To: Alberta's Child
So, what is your theory as to the apparent progression as evidenced in the fossils discovered so far? Does God pop in every so often and zap new, more complex species into existence? You see, this is where most creationists stutter and blubber; they are perfectly happy to try to poke holes in the only theory that accounts for the evidence, but they refuse to give a hypothesis that does a better job at explaining the evidence than the theory of evolution (creationists are a bit like anarchists in this manner -- they want to tear down the existing order, but they have nothing with which to replace it).

Once in awhile we get a hit-and-run post by a creationist that says basically, "God did it like it says in the Bible and the fossil record is the result of the Flood." These folks never stick around for the resulting barrage of posts showing the untenableness (?) of such a position. However, one must hand it to them -- they do state straight up what they believe.

On the other end of the spectrum, we have medved, bless his heart. Medved believes we are the result of a genetic experiment by the inhabitants of the mysterious 12 planet at a time when the Earth orbited Saturn. He also believes the Sun is a big ball of electricity and that gravity is an electrical phenomenon. Any really way-out-there theories on biology or cosmology might make their way into ol' Ted's theory-of-everything except that Ted hasn't updated his thoughts in at least seven years. One thing you can say about Ted, though, he puts his ideas out there for the whole world to laugh at -- a coward he ain't.

The Blues Brothers, on the other hand, make a habit of hiding their true beliefs; it took close to a year to pin Little Boy Blue down on a definition of evolution and even now he adds new clauses to the theory that can't be found in the scientific literature, then calling everyone who disagrees with him "liars" or "slime." Big Blue spends his time making cryptic remarks, parsing his opposition's wording and arguing the meaning of those words. Neither has offered a Blue's Clue as to what he believes to be the truth, probably because each knows that his ideas have as much chance of being accepted by rational human beings as that of a snowball surviving the Netherworld.

Truthfully, the evolution/creation debate has devolved from a war of ideas to being a last-ditch guerrilla rear-guard action by a fanatical creationist resistance who do not know what they are fighting for, but do know what they are fighting against.

502 posted on 06/11/2002 2:54:15 AM PDT by Junior
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To: Junior
Your #502 should be included in the next revision of "The Ultimate Resource."
503 posted on 06/11/2002 4:00:40 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Junior
On the other end of the spectrum, we have medved, bless his heart. Medved believes we are the result of a genetic experiment by the inhabitants of the mysterious 12 planet...

"Mysterious 12 planet"?? That's a new one to me. IF any normal person wants to hear about the Saturn thesis, let me know and I'll tell them about it. Otherwise I'm not going to make a habit or lifelong pursuit of casting pearls before swine, and I get the impression it's basically just the little handful of swine here, PH, "Junior", "VadeRepo" et. al. who want to talk about catastrophism or rather their own strawman versions of it to take heat off themselves for talking about evolutionism as if it were anything other than a pile of BS.

504 posted on 06/11/2002 5:08:07 AM PDT by medved
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To: Junior
The Blues Brothers, on the other hand, make a habit of hiding their true beliefs . . .

Little Boy Blue claims to believe that the Earth and Universe are old. However, if you go over his posts, you can find him attacking:

1) Big Bang theory,
2) Radiocarbon dating, and
3) Conventional interpretations of the geologic column.

There could be others; I forget. In light of that, I asked him what evidence he does accept for an old Earth/universe? All I got was the standard g3k slop bucket emptied on my head with no answer. There are no underpinnings of an old Earth/old Universe that he does not reserve the right to attack for the Jihad.

Big Blue at least claims to accept the evolution of whales and hippos, birds and dinos, from a common ancestor. He claims to like comets for the origin of organics on the early earth as a jump-start to abiogenesis. You have to apply a lot of pressure to get these statements; they are not advertised positions. If they look very funny against that person's typical barrage of patently dishonest obfuscation against the evidence for exactly those kind of processes, don't expect more than a snarl for a clarification.

511 posted on 06/11/2002 7:57:08 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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