Posted on 06/06/2002 4:38:33 PM PDT by Shermy
June 6 — For more than an hour, a government loan officer was face to face with the man she now knows was the ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, and he asked her for a $650,000 federal loan that apparently would have financed an attack on the United States with a modified crop-duster, the officer told ABCNEWS.
In an interview with Brian Ross, Johnelle Bryant, a loan officer in Florida for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, recalled how Mohamed Atta sat across from her with his "very scary" black eyes, and then railed against her when the loan was denied, asking her how she would like to see the destruction of Washington, D.C., and monuments there, which he observed in a picture on her wall.
"His eyes, he had very scary-looking eyes. His eyes were black," she remembered. "How could somebody be that evil, be that close to me, and I didn't recognize it?"
Only after seeing Atta's picture in the newspaper did she realize who the man sitting inches away from her was, and alert the FBI of the interaction.
"I think it's very vital that the Americans realize that when these people come to the United States, they don't have a big 'T' on their forehead," she said, telling her story for the first time to ABCNEWS, against the wishes of her employer.
"They don't look like what you think a terrorist would look like," said Bryant, who also had visits from three other figures in the Sept. 11 plots, including one who used his real name.
"I had terrorists in my office, and I helped them," Bryant said. "I gave them information unknowingly … And I'm afraid that there probably will be a next time, unless it's stopped from the ground-floor level by an American."
Financing For an Immigrant's Dream
According to Bryant, who has worked at the USDA for 16 years, Atta arrived in her office sometime between the end of April and the middle of May 2000, inquiring about a loan to finance an aircraft.
"At first, he refused to speak with me," said Bryant, remembering that Atta called her "but a female." Bryant explained that she was the manager, but he still refused to conduct business with her. Ultimately, she says, "I told him that if he was interested in getting a farm-service agency loan in my servicing area, then he would need to deal with me."
Throughout the interview, he continued to refer to Bryant as "but a female," and Bryant says "he would say it with disgust."
During the initial applicant interview, Bryant was taking notes. "I wrote his name down, and I spelled it A-T-T-A-H, and he told me, 'No, A-T-T-A, as in "Atta boy!' "
He said he had just arrived in the United States from Afghanistan "to start his dream, which was to go flight school and get his pilot's license, and work both as a charter pilot and a crop duster, too." He said he was seeking $650,000 to start a crop-dusting business.
"He wanted to finance a twin-engine six-passenger aircraft … and remove the seats," said Bryant. "He said he was an engineer, and he wanted to build a chemical tank that would fit inside the aircraft and take up every available square inch of the aircraft except for where the pilot would be sitting."
When Bryant explained that there was an application process, Atta became "very agitated." He thought the loan would be in cash, and that he would have no trouble obtaining it to purchase an aircraft.
He also remarked about the lack of security in the building, pointing specifically to a safe behind Bryant's desk. "He asked me what would prevent him from going behind my desk and cutting my throat and making off with the millions of dollars in that safe," said Bryant, who explained that there was no money in the safe because loans are never given in cash, and also that she was trained in karate.
"He wanted to know how, once he became settled down in the United States, how he could take that kind of training," she says.
Bryant turned him down for the loan because as a non-U.S. citizen he did not meet the basic eligibility requirements and because the program is intended for actual farming purposes. But she referred him to other government agencies and to a bank downstairs.
He asked questions about whether his plans to be out of the country for a few weeks would interfere with his eligibility for a loan. "I think he said he needed to go to Madrid, and somewhere in Germany, and then there was a third country," said Bryant. (--Czech?)
Being turned down for the loan altered the hijackers' plans. According to law enforcement officials, packing twin-engine planes with explosive chemicals, making it a flying bomb, had been the terrorists' plan since the mid-1990s. When Atta reported to his group that he could not get a loan to buy smaller planes, the plan was switched to hijacking passenger jets, according to Abu Zabaydah, a captured bin Laden lieutenant.
So in the fall of 2000, the hijackers who had been learning to fly small planes began to seek simulator training in the large jets they would crash into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania.
Familiar Places, Unfamiliar Names
Before leaving Bryant's office, Atta became fixated with an aerial photo of Washington that was hanging on her office wall.
"He just said that it was one of the prettiest, the best he'd ever seen of Washington," she said, remembering that he was impressed with the panoramic view that captured all the monuments and buildings in one photograph, pointing specifically to the Pentagon and the White House.
"He pulled out a wad of cash," she said, "and started throwing money on my desk. He wanted that picture really bad."
Bryant indicated that the picture was not for sale, and he threw more money down.
"His look on his face became very bitter at that point," Bryant remembers. "I believe he said, 'How would America like it if another country destroyed that city and some of the monuments in it' like the cities in his country had been destroyed?"
Atta also expressed an interest in visiting New York, specifically the World Trade Center, and asked Bryant about security there. He inquired about other American cities, including Phoenix, Los Angeles, Seattle and Chicago. Prompted by a souvenir she had on her desk, he also expressed interest in the Dallas Cowboys' football stadium, mentioning that the team was "America's team" and the stadium had a "whole in the roof."
Atta also talked about life in his country. "He mentioned al Qaeda, he mentioned Osama bin Laden," said Bryant. "I didn't know who Osama bin Laden was … He could have been a character on Star Wars for all I knew."
He boasted about the role that they would one day play. "He said this man would someday be known as the world's greatest leader," she said.
Bryant and Atta shook hands on his way out. "I told him I wished him luck with his endeavor," remembered Bryant.
‘How Could I Have Known?’
Bryant never thought to report her strange encounter, because she thought she was just helping a new immigrant learn about the country.
"I felt that he was trying to make the cultural leap from the country that he came from, with all the violence, as compared to the United States," she says. "I was attempting, in every manner I could, to help him make his relocation into our country as easy for him as I could make it."
His questions about American cities, she assumed, were because he had moved to a new country and he wanted to find out about the major cities.
"How could I have known? I couldn't have known, prior to Sept. 11. I don't think anyone else would have either, if they'd been in my shoes that day," she says. "Should I have picked up the telephone and called someone? You can't ask me that more often than I have asked myself that … I don't know how I could possibly expect myself to have recognized what that man was. And yet sometimes I haven't forgiven myself."
Bryant hopes her story will serve as a warning to all Americans.
"The American people, the public, need to be aware that if these men can walk into my office, they can walk into your office, they can walk into anyone's office," she says. "If they watch this interview and they see the type of questions that Atta asked me on my first encounter with that man, and then someone walks into another American's office and behaves in the same manner, then perhaps they will recognize a terrorist, and perhaps they will pick up the phone and make the call that I didn't make."
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Exactly! This babe is obviously on a short track. I was and wasn't surprised that she was featured on a mainstream news program segment.
Surprised because she's obviously a quacking duck and not surprised because the media is still throwing anything against the wall to see if it will stick to 43.
Hence i find her story a little too 'outrageous.' Especially when you consider the number of kooks who would do anything for a spot of fame.
For example in Oklahoma they are looking for a guy who masqueraded as an 'army colonel' and went to the site of the bridge collapse, and he was actually talking to people and was captured on telly. There are a lot of people who would use national disasters for their own little nefarious plots, or maybe for simply greed, or probably just to get some attention and media spotlight.
Think of it: Why would Atta risk exposing himself through such actions? It just does not add up!
Actually after thinking it true i am prone to believe she lied! From the reports being given out on Atta one can assume he was intelligent, definitely intelligent enough not to go and apply for a federal loan that would require checks, threaten a federal officer with bodily harm, state his intentions and what group he belongs to, and even assert that certain monuments would be destroyed.
The probability of Atta being that aloof about secrecy, and of this lady being so plain dumb, is just not probable. The two occuring at the same time must have a probability approaching zero!
Why doesn't she have any documentation to back up her meeting? She must not since she can't give a specific date ("sometime between the end of April and the middle of May 2000").
Then there's the "he told me, 'No, A-T-T-A, as in Atta boy!'". Getting really stinky!
According to this woman, Atta essentially told her his entire plot not in so many words, including his relationship with Osama and Al-Qaeda.
I believe in the nastiness, but not the blabby mouth. Atta is not known to shoot his mouth off to anyone, let alone a woman. No way this happened the way she tells it.
She contacted ABC? They called her, based on a tip? From whom? And why? She is doing this "against the wishes of her employer". Why?
This may be the key sentence -- the message and the disregard for "instructions".
"I think it's very vital that the Americans realize that when these people come to the United States, they don't have a big 'T' on their forehead," she said, telling her story for the first time to ABCNEWS, against the wishes of her employer.
Why is she doing this? For her 15 minutes of fame? Why has she not spoken out before, then? Or is it because she was "allowed" to have this interview? Is she really who she says she is? And did it really happen the way she described it?
Most specifically, was it a way to introduce the cropduster-as-bomb theory?
You all get my point. On its surface, the story seems a little too pat, a little too structured. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. And, if it's not, what is its purpose?
If this story is right, he did have a big 'T" on his forehead, but the woman telling the story obviously didn't get that far in the alphabet. Another product of government schools.
Isn't it more amusing to have your enemy foot the cost of their own destruction than to pay for it yourself? Don't you recall the SEC investigation into the short sales on airline stocks in the weeks leading up to 9/11? (Still haven't heard the results of that one.)
Al Qaeda doesn't want to invest its own money in operations when it can finance its operations by using US tax dollars or investment dollars (you and I both have probably contributed, albeit unknowingly and involuntarily).
I saw this story months ago. I know because I specifically remember the unusual name Johnell. A search yields very little, but look at this excerpt from an AP story that appeared in the Sept. 25, 2001, Stockton (CA) Record:
Epling [Robert Epling, president of the Community Bank of Florida] said Monday that his bank, headquartered in Homestead, received a call from the FBI seven to 10 days ago saying that Atta had gone into a USDA office that until recently was in the bank's building. The agents asked if Atta had applied for such a loan from Community Bank, since USDA employees had apparently suggested to Atta that he try Epling's bank. Several USDA employees had recently identified Atta to the FBI, and recalled that he wore Tommy Hilfiger clothes and a lot of cologne, according to the FBI version of events provided to the bank.This story has Bryant refusing to comment, but I think there may have been another story at the time with more details. Does anybody recall this, or have a link?
Epling said one employee had a vague memory of an encounter. ''All he remembers is an inquiry about a loan for buying crop-dusters,'' Epling said of his employee. The employee thought the inquiry was in 2000 and did not remember the customer well enough to identify him as Atta, Epling said. The FBI said Atta may have gone to the USDA offices in April 2000, Epling said.
Employees in the USDA's Farm Service Agency, whose local office has since moved to neighboring Florida City, referred questions to a supervisor in the state headquarters. At a reporter's request, Kevin Kelley, state executive director for the USDA's Florida Farm Service Agency, contacted Johnell Bryant, a USDA loan manager in Florida City, to ask what had happened.
Kelley said Bryant declined to comment. ''She said she was told by authorities not to speak about it,'' Kelley said. FBI officials said they could not confirm the account.
It now is almost certain that Al Qaeda members in Toronto were
(and possibly still are)
receiving welfare payments from the Ontario government.
I even heard a story the other night
that Atta himself was collecting welfare cheques
during his stay in Toronto.
I think her one minute of fame is real (see my other post with a link to a 9/25/2001 article mentioning her story). However she seems to be embellishing her story considerably; she wants her full 15 minutes! Perhaps she's thinking of selling her story to the tabloids?
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