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The India-Pakistan Crisis and Chinese Strategy
Financial Sense.com ^ | 6/4/2002 | J. R. Nyquist

Posted on 06/06/2002 10:16:39 AM PDT by ex-Texan

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1 posted on 06/06/2002 10:16:44 AM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan
Interesting read. Certainly something to chew on.
2 posted on 06/06/2002 10:45:36 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: ex-Texan; 4ConservativeJustices; billbears
This is some awesome truth. Going to bookmark. We are so much closer than most realize...
3 posted on 06/06/2002 11:02:31 AM PDT by Ff--150
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To: ex-Texan
Great post another link to site; Storm Watch
4 posted on 06/06/2002 11:07:26 AM PDT by flanew
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To: Ff--150
Bookmarked here. I've been thinking about this myself, but news reports keep saying the Chinese wouldn't be bothered by a nuclear war in their backyard. I don't care how small the weapons are, I feel they would be.
5 posted on 06/06/2002 11:09:29 AM PDT by billbears
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To: *China stuff;*southasia_list;*Clash of Civilizatio
Bump list
6 posted on 06/06/2002 11:10:49 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Ff--150;ex-Texan; 4ConservativeJustices; billbears; Prodigal Son
Golytsin is a must read. His predictions vis-a-vis Russia and China have been uncannily accurate. His central premise was then, and is now unfashionably scary: i.e. That the commies ain't dead, they're just resting!
Great post, definitely bookmark material!
7 posted on 06/06/2002 11:15:13 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: billbears
You're right about those so-called reports about Red China not caring. That's what's left on the ground south of a northbound horse...

China wants India as much as they do Taiwan, and with two billion in China and India, one kook or idiot can make things rather interesting; moreover, x42 made us rather vulnerable.

8 posted on 06/06/2002 11:20:34 AM PDT by Ff--150
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To: ex-Texan
Do you think that Putin is stringing us along?
Or is Bush's strategy to form a true alliance with Russia (hence the importance of Rice) to counter the Russo-Sino shenanigans since 1940?
Could W be more clever than even WE think he is?
9 posted on 06/06/2002 11:21:42 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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To: ex-Texan
Even more ominous, consider recent stories involving the Chinese. An Associated Press report describes the landing of ten Chinese men of military age on the Southern Californian coast. At approximately 3:30 a.m. on May 23 an off-duty lifeguard spotted ten Chinese coming ashore at Newport Beach, California. They swam naked from ships out at sea, using life vests -- their clothing sealed in plastic bags. (Some of the clothing included full suits.)

What's up with this??? These are certainly interesting times to be living in.

10 posted on 06/06/2002 11:32:11 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Psalm 73
Could W be more clever than even WE think he is?

Oh PLEAZZZZA!!!!

11 posted on 06/06/2002 11:34:22 AM PDT by mconder
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To: ex-Texan
A very interesting read. Seems like the current India-Pakistan conflict might have been egged on to keep the growing US-India relationship in check. What better way to do so than to throw us as a possible negotiator...
12 posted on 06/06/2002 11:37:51 AM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: Aaron_A
Btw, as per the SacBee article mentioned above said that all 10 Chinese were arrested...
13 posted on 06/06/2002 11:39:45 AM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: JimRob
Worth reading
15 posted on 06/06/2002 11:58:10 AM PDT by flanew
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To: Psalm 73
Putin is KGB ..... of course !
16 posted on 06/06/2002 1:27:40 PM PDT by ex-Texan
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* ping *
17 posted on 06/06/2002 1:29:33 PM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: Ff--150
Bump for later. Interesting times indeed!
18 posted on 06/06/2002 1:33:50 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: ex-Texan
Thanks. Very interesting article. It addresses some things I was wondering about recently.
19 posted on 06/06/2002 1:45:38 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Psalm 73; swarthyguy; infowarrior;PsyOps
Putin is definitely one of the most urbane intelligent leaders in the world today. And the fact that he is ex=KGB means he has the ability to play politics like some chess game, with great dexterity and cunning.

And who knows, although it sounds rather improbable there is a chance that the Russians have been playing the west for decades. And to those who say the collapse of the USSR was a loss, think about it. Was it really a loss? Or was it a gain in efficiency by ridding itself of an inept system of government, and making itself get accepted by the West. And admired in the process for the great 'change' it has accomplished.

And to those who say 'what about all the good stuff Russia has been doing?' Well, there is a japanese saying that goes something like this: 'Tada yori takai mono wa nai.' It means nothing is more costly than something given free of charge. I am not Japanese, but they have a wealth of information on such matters, almost similar to Machiavelli!

Also remember: When you are weaker, never fight for honors sake; choose surrender instead. Surrender gives you time to recover, time to torment and irritate your conqueror, time to wait for his power to wane. Do not give him the satisfaction of fighting and defeating you....surrender first! Make surrender a tool of power. (That was from some saying of power and deception).

Putin is very suave, quite possibly the most suave and cerebral world leader out there. He was bred to be smart, to look for openings, and maximize their potential. And at the moment most people see Russia as some second rate world power... a fallen superpower (which i never understand since Russia since has enough nukes to seed the world with contamination, and its influence is still bold. The only thing it lacks, for now, is the financial clout of the US). But it is definitely a super power, even if it never uses that moniker anymore!

And do you think the Russian oligarchs would see their soviet empire crumble, and just sit and do nothing about it? To them what happened was a slap in the face, and everytime the US sends some financial 'assistance' to them i am sure it makes them squirm and spit. There is an Ethiopian proverb that says: When the great lord passes, the wise peasant bows deeply and silently farts! Now imagine the 'wise peasant' was a former lord a decade ago, and although he is a peasant he still possesses the world's largest nuclear arsenal, and considerable clout overseas. His only problem is that the peasant lost all his money! What do you think the peasnt will do? Simple: GET HIS FORTUNE BACK, AND THEN LASH OUT AT HIS FORMER 'LORD' WHO TRIED TO SUBJECT A 'NOBLE' TO SERVITUDE!

When the Japanese were defeated in WW2 by the American 'Gaijin' barbarians (not my words...theirs), they were so angry many commited sepuku by ripping their bellies open with a blade! (which by the way is one of the most painful ways to die... which is why they had a firend nearby to chop of their heads once the initial cut was done across the belly). Then the survivors plotted their vengeance, and they won!

What?

Yep! In the seventies onwards they started to win the US in many facets of technology and industry, and currently only 3 big American car manufacturers are left. And according to an article in Fortune Magazine I read three weeks ago even those three will either be gone in a decade, or so foreign they are no longer 'American!'

However i doubt the Russians will find such tech dominance sufficient. I do not know what they will do, but stand assured the moment their economy comes back online and they do not need the US that they will act in someway to show the US they are still powerful!

The concept of SNEAK ACROSS THE OCEAN IN BROAD DAYLIGHT: This means to create a front that eventually becomes imbued with an atmosphere or impression of familiarity, within which the strategist may maneuver unseen while all eyes are trained to see obvious familiarities.

"The Thirty-Six Strategies," Quoted in the Japanese Art of War, Thomas Cleary, 1991.

A virus. Unseen, it enters your pores without warning, spreading silently and slowly. Before you are aware of the infection, it is deep inside you!

20 posted on 06/06/2002 4:53:43 PM PDT by spetznaz
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